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"Any claim that women are equal to men in combat settings is utterly irrational."
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Posted on 03/29/2003 8:07:11 PM PST by narses

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Riggs said one woman who spoke at yesterday's press conference, Charmaine Yoest, a national advisory board member with the Independent Women's Forum, relayed a recent example involving DACOWITS that illustrated the need for less military feminization.

"On Sept. 10 – the day before those awful terrorist attacks – DACOWITS was discussing lactation and the need for breast-feeding policies within the Army," Riggs said. "This, the day before so many people died" in New York City and at the Pentagon.

"This is no longer a power game where ambitious women can try to advance their careers," Rios said during her speech, "this is a matter of life and death. Any claim that women are equal to men in combat settings is utterly irrational."

Rios cited a recent Royal British Army study that found stark differences between men and women under combat conditions. In one phase of the study, men failed 20 percent of the time to carry 90 pounds of artillery shells over certain distances, she said, adding that women failed "90 percent of the time."

"In a mission simulating wartime conditions, male and female soldiers were asked to carry 60 pounds of equipment while marching 12.5 miles, completing the exercise with target practice. Seventeen percent of the men failed, [as did] 48 percent of the women," she said.

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To: joesnuffy
Why do we need MEN in the military who cannot concentrate on the job or who can be "played" by anyone? The point is we need people of higher caliber in our military. Men who can't control themselves and focus their aggressionon the mission are a waste of resources and money. We don't need people like this in our military, no matter their gender.
61 posted on 03/29/2003 9:37:18 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: LibertyThug
"Where that line is, though, I just don't know. Any ideas?"

That line will be achieved when men can become pregnant and avoid combat or further combat because of their pregnancy.

62 posted on 03/29/2003 9:44:18 PM PST by webber (Mr. Mom goes home because he has become a ....."mother"!)
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To: Lorianne
If it's disgusting that people in the military are having sex, it is disgusting that both are. Ditto on c=Contraceptives

There is a difference, women get pregnant and are most responsible for care of their children (ie. it interferes with their role in the military). Men, on the other hand, don't have that issue.

Yeah, it takes two to tango, but the woman's job performance suffers - not the man's.

63 posted on 03/29/2003 9:44:53 PM PST by LibertyThug
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To: farmfriend
I agree with you both about the flaming (my first) and with your assertions about meeting standards.
64 posted on 03/29/2003 9:47:16 PM PST by LibertyThug
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To: Lorianne
ROTF! You are how old?

Look, whatever utopian ideas you may have about the perfect world, you must set them aside if you want to reach some level of understanding of how things really are.

Really, this stuff is too much. Way too much!

65 posted on 03/29/2003 9:48:17 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: nicollo
"What? Does this mean that Demi Moore can't really do one-armed push ups?"

She cheats. Her chest is already on the floor with arm fully extended. LOL

66 posted on 03/29/2003 9:49:31 PM PST by webber (Is this the milk factory Iraq was talking about?)
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To: Lorianne
It is patently obvious, dear, that you don't understand men, the nature of war, nor what war/battles do to men's psychis. Frome time immemorial, men are arroused by women ( unless they're homosexual and then there were the Spartan Leaguers, whose lovers/foxhole buddies fought like savages on a high, but who committed suicide and died, in their lovers' arms, rather than being one of a " pair ", who survived ! ), testosterone, as well as adrenaline flows during battle. Why do you suppose, that many, many, MANY armies, all over the world, had " camp followers " along with them ?

Men and women are not only different physically, but their brains are hotwired differently too. They react differently, to the same situations. Women are NOT built the same way as men are. Each have their pown strengths and weaknesses. There are some jobs, that each can do , some, where one sex is far superior to the other, and to say otherwise, is to ignore the facts ! Women do NOT belong in the miliatry and especially NOT in the front lines.

67 posted on 03/29/2003 9:57:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: narses
women are not warriors

I think many divorced men may disagree with you on that one.. they should put us in charge of psyops :) I bet we could nag and guilt Saddam into giving up the whole war.
68 posted on 03/29/2003 10:00:56 PM PST by honeygrl
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To: templar
"OTOH, I don't see how having women on the front lines in Iraq is harming us in any way. Seems our soldiers, men and women both, are doing a superb job. We're killing them and breaking their equiptment and taking very few losses in the process."

Trouble is, women can opt out any time by becoming pregnant. POOF! Ineligible for further combat or frontline duty. It's stateside for you sister. THEN, that particular unit will be down a combat ready trooper until another can be brought in under hostile conditions, putting more people unnecessarily in harms way.

69 posted on 03/29/2003 10:02:29 PM PST by webber
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To: nopardons; MadIvan
Yup...I agree. I'm a woman..and I shouldn't be on the front line. BECAUSE, if my hormones are 'up'..I'd get out of any trench, and shoot every freakin B*stard in sight, and not care about who they were and what they were doing. Once, I'm fed chocolate, of course, I may then consider the consequences.

BTW...I think women make FANTASTIC police officers. Particularly in domestic abuse and child abuse scenarios. And women make great medics too.

But I can't imagine a woman (although I'm sure there are one or two) who would be best placed in the front line of military, and happy to be there.

70 posted on 03/29/2003 10:04:29 PM PST by Happygal
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To: farmfriend
There you go again, with the " FAIR " garbage. Life isn't " fair "; it never has been.

When the majority of one sex is capable and wants to do something, they should. When the majority of one sex is incapable of doing the same thing, but is told that they should be allowed to do it; though they can't do it as well, expectations are bound to be squashed, unless rules/requirements have to be changed to accomodate those less able. You keep harping on " FAIR ", when it is now, absolutely NOT " fair " to bend rules for women. The rules were put into place, from the beginning, for very good reasons.

There is nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G " fair ", in weakening the protection of our nation. There is nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G " fair, is saying that a very few women, who might be able to meet the same standars that the men MUST meet, should be allowed to be a strange and tiny minority, in the midst of hordes of men.

Male sodiers, now in Iraq, dig a hole, squat on a shovel, and defficate , in full view, and often WITH, other men. You think that a woman wants to do that ? How about when she has her period ? Shall I go into graphic details ?

71 posted on 03/29/2003 10:07:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: WorkingClassFilth
These females, who are espouse feminazi codswallop, must be rather youg. Well, young enough to have polluted by feminazi propaganda.
72 posted on 03/29/2003 10:09:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
We don't need people in the military who do not have discipline and who are weak in mind. Physical strength is only part of the equation. We don't need weak minded people who can be "played" and who can't concentrate and can't or won't follow rules. Such people are a waste of our resources and a threat to their fellow soldiers.

So far, ZERO women have lobbed grenades into tents of their own side killing them. Think about it.
73 posted on 03/29/2003 10:09:39 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
This might seem hard to understand, but soldiers living in combat conditions for even a few months become very rowdy. Discipline tends to break down, except for that which the soldiers can easily figure out for himself to be mission critical. Commanders also do not want to prosecute their best soldiers for anything that is not mission related. The mission is what holds the units together (and of course friendships). Petty rules and procedures slowly get tossed aside. Soldiers tend to break rules. The longer soldiers live under the threat of death, the less important the petty rules become. Under such conditions, soldiers become barbaric animals, and proud of it.

I can not tell you how many times I've seen on army bases signs that read:

"NO INFANTRY ALLOWED"

Having been on both sides of those signs, I can tell you those signs were there with good cause.

Don't tell me about rules and discipline. I've been there. Most of them are to prepare the soldier for the real thing. But few of them rules last in the real thing.

What you going to do first sergeant, shave my head and ship me to Viet Nam?

74 posted on 03/29/2003 10:10:10 PM PST by jackbob
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To: farmfriend
Isaiah 55:10-11 paraphrased reads:

"...so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it."

A Bible believer, huh?

Do you care to expound on the Biblical basis for your unisex views and military doctrine?
76 posted on 03/29/2003 10:15:58 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: nopardons
Male sodiers, now in Iraq, dig a hole, squat on a shovel, and defficate , in full view, and often WITH, other men. You think that a woman wants to do that ? How about when she has her period ? Shall I go into graphic details ?

Well, ye know...I'm Irish, and me old bachelor Uncle has a farm with no toilet in the house..so, I've learned to live under THOSE circumstances. But would I choose it? Eh no!!! If I had a choice, I'd have a maid wipe my butt with gold leaf toilet paper! *LOL*

77 posted on 03/29/2003 10:16:02 PM PST by Happygal
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To: jackbob
Fine with me. But if rules can be broken with impunity, that goes for both men and women. You either enforce the rules or you don't. If we don't enforce the rules, then we shouldn't expect everyone to follow them and we have no right to expect discipline and order in the military. That goes for women in the military as well.
78 posted on 03/29/2003 10:16:44 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Wait ... no woman has yet been " spurned " by her lover, whilst both were in battle. For well over a decade, women HAVE disrupted all of the services, due to pregnancy and prostitution clubs. They've decimated the numbers of needed hands, when they had to be flown out, due to pregnancy. Oh, and lest we forget, women can and have also claimed " RAPE " falsely; as well as sexualy harassment, and brought down both the quilty and the innocent, in a number of the armed services.These things are far more common than granade throwers.And besides which, that granade lobber was a recent Muslim convert, who hates America and did NOT want to be in Iraq.

You keep ignoring the fact, that women don't belong in the military, for many of the same reasons that out of the closet homosexuals don't belong there either.

79 posted on 03/29/2003 10:17:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: farmfriend
Well, I did notice she twisted your words out of all recongnition, but I was going to leave you to defend them yourself! :)
80 posted on 03/29/2003 10:18:27 PM PST by Lorianne
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