Posted on 03/29/2003 8:07:11 PM PST by narses
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Riggs said one woman who spoke at yesterday's press conference, Charmaine Yoest, a national advisory board member with the Independent Women's Forum, relayed a recent example involving DACOWITS that illustrated the need for less military feminization.
"On Sept. 10 the day before those awful terrorist attacks DACOWITS was discussing lactation and the need for breast-feeding policies within the Army," Riggs said. "This, the day before so many people died" in New York City and at the Pentagon.
"This is no longer a power game where ambitious women can try to advance their careers," Rios said during her speech, "this is a matter of life and death. Any claim that women are equal to men in combat settings is utterly irrational."
Rios cited a recent Royal British Army study that found stark differences between men and women under combat conditions. In one phase of the study, men failed 20 percent of the time to carry 90 pounds of artillery shells over certain distances, she said, adding that women failed "90 percent of the time."
"In a mission simulating wartime conditions, male and female soldiers were asked to carry 60 pounds of equipment while marching 12.5 miles, completing the exercise with target practice. Seventeen percent of the men failed, [as did] 48 percent of the women," she said.
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nowhere, in your post, does he even begin to talk about the actual facts, which are now well know, about the problems of having females in the armed forces; which are NOT isolated incidents.
Duh, I'm not arguing for women in combat. I never have. I have repeatedly said that we are miss treating our men. You have insisted on twisting it into this women in combat issue.
I don't deny this. But that is not what you post said I did. I'm not trying to make this a bitchfest. I don't portray myself as sugar pie. I've said what I did was out of line. Everyone is entitled to one mistake unless they are dealing with you I guess.
Is there a draft now ?
Have requirements been lowerd, to get females into the academies and into the miliatry ?
Have females become a HUGE problem, in the military, due to pregnacies, prostitution rings, and sexual harassment cases ?
If we are " misusing " our men, by allowing them to serve and fight in the front lines, when there is a war, are you for getting rid of the armed services completely ?
I haven't " twisted " a single word; you can't debate, are incapable of posting anything, as refutation, except some piece of KOOKOID junk, written by some whack job.
You keep talking about " fairness ". Only children use that rubric. Is it FAIR, that men can't give birth ? Is it FAIR, that men have stronger upper body strength than women do ? Is it FAIR, that the physical differences, between males and females make each more suited to certain jobs / passtimes , than others ? Physical , mental, and pyschological differences matter and make men and women more capable of doing certain things ( such as military work ); which you and the author of that junk take into considerattion.
Sorry, dear, stacked up with the likes of happygal and me, you fall far short of female " warriors " of any stripe.
Sugar..you are floundering around in the dirt here. Admit it..you completely f*cked up. AND now the whole thread knows you are duplicitous...can't argue the facts on the thread so have to go and bolster support from the rear by freepmailing other idiots to make them feel important. YOU SURE you aren't a democrat?
Equal risks
If women shared equal risks, Panama would not have resulted in the deaths of 23 men and 0 women (also 0 women injured); and the Persian Gulf practice operations and war would not have led to the deaths of 375 men versus 15 women. For bothwars combined, 27 men died for each woman. but since there are only 9 men in the armed services for each women, then any given man's risk of dying was three times greater than any given woman's.
...Equality is not making women vulnerable by chance when men are made vulnerable by design.
Equal opportunity as officers
Women constitute 11.7 percent of the total military, but 12 percent of the officers. Women receive more-than-equal promotions in the services despite less-than-equal time in the sevices.
Equal pay
Both sexes in the Persian Gulf received $110 per month extra combat pay. The sexes received equal pay despite unequal risks.
Shall I go on or do you understand what I am for now. You have tried to make this a women in combat issue. I am trying to take about equality for men.
The Myth of Male Power
Warren Farrell, Ph.D.
Dr. Farrell taught at the School of Medice at the University of California at San Diego, and also taught psychology, sociology, and plitical science at Georgetown, Rutgers, and Brooklyn College.
See post #237 for arguing the facts.
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