[info_scout]

>>>> All of the above and still YOU call this a " debacle " ; all the whilst, you inform us that you garner info from EVERY source, collate it, and come to the conclusion that this has all gone awry and is a " DEBACLE " !

You aren't to be taken seriously, dear. You are incapable of comprehension AND you take Clark's words are gospel. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh ! <<<<

No need to become emotional. We are all expressing opinion based on whatever information is available. I'll stand firmly by one point--This is NOT proceeding as to the original plan. If you feel otherwise, just observe events over the next 72 hours as radical shifts in strategy become apparent and the new spin on events cycles through 90 degrees.

[TLBSHOW]

Answer the question so I can go to bed.

[TLBSHOW]

the original plan would of been that Saddam disarmed and or left the country. Plan B we disarm him and that has no time table.

[Mr. Mojo]

This is NOT proceeding as to the original plan

The original plan most likely was/is a highly flexible one.

[nopardons]

" EMOTINALY " ? i AM not " e-m-o-t-i-o-n-a-l " at all. I am PASSIONATE and do NOT suffer fools lightly. Attempting to blame , whatever it is you are attempting to pin on me, by claiming that I am emtional, is obviously your only means of refutation. That's pathetic.

WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN ? You have yet to state it, how YOU know what that plan was, explain your erronious use of the word " debacle ", how it is that YOU and YOU alone, on this thread, know more about this war's plans and strategt than the rest of us. What makes YOU the expert ? And NO, all " opinions " are NOT equal; not here and not anywhere.

Have you ever read Julius Caesar's " THE GALLIC WARS " ? I have; in Latin, translated it, in its entirity into English, and read true experts' translations. His " war plans " changed, as necessary. Have YOU ever read ANY general's memoirs ? I have. They ALL, from Alexander, to Caesar, to Napoleon,to George Washington, to whomever else you'd care to name, have plans and then change them, when they MUST be changed.

What's " apparent " , mordantly so, is that YOU haven't a clue; not a glimmer of an idea, about what you are attempting to opine about and are utterly bereft of logic, or common sense. In 90 days, or less, those , who are running this war will, no doubt about it, change their battle strategy, as events come and go. " SPIN " ? What " spin " ? You and I and the rest of us don't KNOW what their plans are now !