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RUMSFELD UNDER FIRE(Wesley Clark has accused Rumsfeld of putting troops at risk )
SKY NEWS ^ | 03/26/2003 | SKYNEWS

Posted on 03/26/2003 8:08:17 PM PST by KQQL

The former supreme allied commander of Nato has accused US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of putting allied troops at risk through poor planning.

Wesley Clark said Mr Rumsfeld's insistence on a smaller invasion force had left troops vulnerable and the 300-mile oil supply line between Kuwait and Basra open to guerilla attack.

Troops had been tied up in "messy fighting" around Nasiriyah and Baghdad, he said, leading to "logistics problems".

He added that hopes of a quick victory spurred by a popular revolt against Saddam had been dashed.

"The simple fact is that the liberation didn't quite occur. They didn't rise up."

Other war veterans have also spoken out against the early stages of war planning.

Miscalculations

Ralph Peters, a military scientist and former Army officer, wrote in the Washington Post that a coalition victory would be achieved "despite serious strategic miscalculations by the office of the Defence Secretary".

The "shock and awe" strategy of aerial bombardment had failed to shatter the will of Saddam's regime, he said, and if anything had encouraged greater resistance.

"It delayed essential attacks on Iraq's military capabilities," said Mr Peters. "This encouraged at least some Iraqis in uniform to believe they had a chance to fight and win.

"Now our forces advancing on Baghdad face the possibility of more serious combat than would otherwise have been the case."

Coalition commander General Tommy Franks's draft invasion plan proposed using four or five heavy divisions moving slowly towards Baghdad.

New warfare

Mr Rumsfeld is said to have rejected this, complaining that it was too similar to the strategy used in the 1991 Gulf War. Instead he insisted on a smaller, lighter force relying heavily on special forces and air power.

Retired US Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said Mr Rumsfeld had ignored warnings that he was underestimating the number of troops needed.

"I think he thought these were generals with feet planted in World War Two who didn't understand the new way of warfare," he said.

"If the Iraqis actually fight it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take a couple to 3,000 casualties."

Mr Rumsfeld insisted his strategy was working.

"It's a good plan everybody agrees to, and it is a plan that in four and a half or five days has moved ground forces to within a short distance of Baghdad."


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To: info_scout
So if your not cheerleeding then shut up? I don't think so. That's pretty insecure.

I think upchuck was merely pointing out that Wesley Clark is a self-serving Clintonian opportunist who is so unpatriotic that he is trying to insinuate that the war isn't going very well--whereas it definitely is.

I'm not a cheerleader. I'm a cold realist. We are slaughtering Saddam's regime.

Right now, we are taking time to rest a bit, to degrade the enemy's capacity to fight, and to consolidate our gains. Pretty soon we will utterly destroy the Republican Guard and the Fedayeen.

221 posted on 03/26/2003 10:37:55 PM PST by the_doc
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To: OldFriend
>>>The Serbs were our allies in the second world war and saved american pilots from the nazis.......I have always considered the action we took in Serbia as criminal.

Absolutely. Made no sense whatsoever.
222 posted on 03/26/2003 10:38:11 PM PST by info_scout
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To: upchuck; Grampa Dave; dennisw
See my post above.
223 posted on 03/26/2003 10:38:48 PM PST by the_doc
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To: info_scout
If an opinion is so 'off-base' why would you have to 'challenge' anothers metal? Facts and opinions speak for themselves and should stand on their own merit. Regards.

Dumb as a rock democrat.

I am outa here. gotta get some shut eye. stop watching the communist news network and reading the Atanta journal or what ever trash you do. You will wise up in time.

224 posted on 03/26/2003 10:38:51 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Howlin
Not only that , but Amadu Diallo was an ILLEAGAL , who looked EXACTLY like the rapist/mugger, whom the cops were after.
225 posted on 03/26/2003 10:39:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: info_scout
I can state categorically that that is not true; I happen to know somebody who works IN the White House and I know for a fact that they got the information about where Saddam was that very day. They met all afternoon and they decided about 7:30 to strike.

Live with it.
226 posted on 03/26/2003 10:39:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Pokey78
Wesley Clark is running for President in 2004.

He isn't running very effectively. I'd say he just guaranteed he won't win the nomination--ever.

227 posted on 03/26/2003 10:39:57 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: WOSG
"defeat in detail via air+armor, or accept surrender..."

yes, I don't think we'll move into Baghdad as soon as the armchair generals expect. We will act more like a disciplined offensive football team and "take what they give us" as we destroy what they let us destroy. We will destroy every unit they send out of Baghdad. Only when there are no Iraqi units left outside the Baghdad metropolis...only then will we send armored columns and snipers into the city to liquidate Saddam's vicious paramilitary gangs. We will hunt like the lion, with a combination of patience, speed, and power. God Bless our brave soldiers and their families.

228 posted on 03/26/2003 10:40:32 PM PST by carl in alaska (Hey Jacques!....What are you trying to hide?)
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To: info_scout
Quick question and then I'm off to bed.

Have you served in leadership in the military? Planning and executing a battle? A War? Anything at all like what we are doing in Iraq?
229 posted on 03/26/2003 10:41:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: nopardons
Debacle is a sudden, disastrous overthrow or collapse; ruin.

Nothing of the kind has occurred.

Only the dedicated opponents of this nation and this administration persist in this know-nothing negativism.

But that is obvious to many here, is it not?

230 posted on 03/26/2003 10:41:04 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks.
231 posted on 03/26/2003 10:41:11 PM PST by Howlin
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To: info_scout
W-R-O-N-G , yet again ! Can't YOU ever get even one fact right ?

Go doo a Google, check the FR archieves, and when ( hahahaha ! ) you find uncontrovertable proof, supporting what you aver, then CCP it to this thread.

232 posted on 03/26/2003 10:41:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: swheats
>>>How can you explain the facts, of 3 airfields seized, the port is demined and aid is coming through, and Saddam's Republican Guard coming out of their dug out positions only to be taken out of commission?

Soft targets are easy.
Driving/charging across hundreds miles of uninhabited desert is easy.
Lobbing cruise missles at urban targets is easy.

Protecting a 200-300 mile supply line through enemy territory against determined guerilla attack is difficult.
233 posted on 03/26/2003 10:42:28 PM PST by info_scout
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To: Grampa Dave
The FIFTH COULUMN FREEPERs, who claim, stridently, that they are Conservatives and then post LEFTY crapola, should be forced to leave. :-)
234 posted on 03/26/2003 10:43:01 PM PST by nopardons
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To: info_scout
War is about taking HUGE risks. Did you think it was something otherwise? There is no such thing as a PERFECT plan. Ours is working. If it goes radically off track for the reasons you mentioned then you will have been right.
235 posted on 03/26/2003 10:43:08 PM PST by WRhine
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To: TLBSHOW
Have you served in leadership in the military? Planning and executing a battle? A War? Anything at all like what we are doing in Iraq?

Since you're into other people answering YOUR questions, how about YOU answer mine.

Do you honestly believe, as you posted today, that the Soviet Union FAKED their downfall?

236 posted on 03/26/2003 10:43:10 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
Have you served in leadership in the military? Planning and executing a battle? A War? Anything at all like what we are doing in Iraq?

A debacle-detector, no doubt.

237 posted on 03/26/2003 10:43:13 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
You are 100 % correct ; asstute, factual, and thanks for posting. :-)
238 posted on 03/26/2003 10:44:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin
Yes I do.
239 posted on 03/26/2003 10:44:29 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks. I asked before I read. Good post.
240 posted on 03/26/2003 10:44:52 PM PST by Howlin
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