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To: gomaaa
Dr. Shapiro, I'd say he was accepting evolution in principle, but reconciled it with his faith by supposing the hand of a creator in subtly influencing events. (Please correct me if that's not correct, I had to infer a lot)

Dr. Shapiro has made no statement, of which I am aware, of his faith. He doubts what you appear to embrace, Darwinian or Neo-Darwinian theories of evolution. He has not expressed his view of ID, but the quote was from a discussion on "International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design". This group includes William Dembski and Michael Behe which will hurt Dr. Shapiro in the eyes of Darwininians.

The Archie is older than the Sino by about 15 million years. Plants hybridize. Animals hybridize. Are the hybrids new species? If they are does that demonstrate evolution? Is the camel/llama hybrid a new species?

880 posted on 03/18/2003 1:10:18 PM PST by AndrewC (Jello™ is suing Darwininians for patent infringement)
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To: AndrewC
Dr. Shapiro has made no statement, of which I am aware, of his faith.

He talks about evolution being a perfectly good theory after the "Heavy lifting" has been done. Who's doing the heavy lifting? Could you provide a link to the interview? It's really hard to analyze out of context.

Are the hybrids new species? If they are does that demonstrate evolution? Is the camel/llama hybrid a new species?

Depends on where you draw the lines. Like I said, they can get blurry sometimes. In a very real sense this does demonstrate evolution, but it is too often dismissed as microevolution. Humans have, in a sense, been intentionally forcing dogs, horses, and other domestic animals to evolve for thousands of years through breeding programs. It's the same process, just that we decide the criteria for reproduction instead of natural selection.

885 posted on 03/18/2003 1:30:27 PM PST by gomaaa
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