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To: Right Wing Professor
If you are suggesting that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is in no way an issue with the Theory of Evolution, then that is ridiculous and completely untrue.

Fine. Show how evolution, if it were true, would cause heat to flow spontaneously from a cold to a hot object, or, alternatively, would cause the total entropy of the earth plus sun spontaneously to decrease.

Be as technical as you want. I can handle the equations.

You imply that I am trying to disprove the theory. My point is that the 2nd Law is an issue for evolutionists rather than creationists. The fact that many evolutionists find it necessary to address the 2nd Law in their defense of evolution demonstrates that.

I don't think this discussion has gotten very technical. This is very basic stuff.

189 posted on 03/12/2003 11:49:56 AM PST by amarok
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To: amarok
My point is that the 2nd Law is an issue for evolutionists rather than creationists.

Then you have no point. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics applies only to closed systems. The Earth's biosphere is not a closed system; it receives energy from the Sun. Therefore, evolution does not defy the Law.

190 posted on 03/12/2003 11:53:33 AM PST by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: amarok
My point is that the 2nd Law is an issue for evolutionists rather than creationists. The fact that many evolutionists find it necessary to address the 2nd Law in their defense of evolution demonstrates that.

Only because creationists frequently make the stupid and ignorant proposition that the 2nd law somehow forbids evolution. Such as here and here and here. So if I call you a rapist, and you deny it, does that mean that being a rapist is an issue for you, but not for me?

194 posted on 03/12/2003 12:08:42 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: amarok
The second law is always brought up by Creationists. The second law has no more bearing on evolutionary theory than it does on hydrology (and no less).

Creationists continually try to make the thermodynamics a issue. This must be on one of the Creationist Talking Points memos.
204 posted on 03/12/2003 12:25:42 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: amarok
My point is that the 2nd Law is an issue for evolutionists rather than creationists.

Nothing is an issue for creationists except that, in making worlds, God is not allowed to use a lot of time, common descent of organisms, mutation, or natural selection.

206 posted on 03/12/2003 12:32:47 PM PST by VadeRetro
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