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2 lawmakers spurn Muslim's prayer - Republicans step off House floor
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | March 4, 2003 | ANGELA GALLOWAY

Posted on 03/04/2003 2:34:57 AM PST by sarcasm

OLYMPIA -- He prayed for the politicians, the state's prosperity and peace for all ethnicities and religions.

But when a Muslim cleric offered the opening prayer before the state House of Representatives yesterday, at least two lawmakers stepped off the chamber floor.

"It's an issue of patriotism," Rep. Lois McMahan, a conservative Republican from Gig Harbor, said of her decision to stand in the back of the room.

"The Islamic religion is so . . . part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

Rep. Cary Condotta, a Republican from East Wenatchee, also left the floor. He said the timing was not a coincidence, but he declined to comment further on why he left, except to say he was talking to another lawmaker and "let's just say I wasn't particularly interested."

A prayer is given at the beginning of each Senate and House session, and attendance is hit or miss, particularly on Mondays.

The interfaith organization Associated Ministries of Thurston County schedules the daily chaplain, said Cynthia Zehnder, clerk of the 98-member chamber. They have selected clerics representing a broad range of faiths, she said.

Imam Mohamad Joban, of the Islamic Center of Olympia, presented yesterday's brief opening prayer.

In part, he said: "We open this session of House of Representatives in the name of Allah the one God Abraham, God of Moses, God of Jesus, and God of Mohammed, peace be upon them all. . . . We ask Allah or God to bless the state of Washington so it may continue to prosper and become a symbol of peace and tranquility for people of all ethnic and religious backgrounds. We pray that Allah may guide this House in making good decisions for the people of Washington.

"At this time, we also pray that America may succeed in the war against terrorism. We pray to God that the war may end with world peace and tranquility."

Joban said the walkout was not hurtful, but ignorant.

"They're unable to distinguish between Islam as religion and way of life, and bad Muslims," said Joban, who has also given the opening prayer to the Senate. "They are easily able to distinguish between Christianity and bad Christians.

"They need to understand that like (President) Bush said . . . Islam is a peaceful religion."

Kathy Erlandson, director of Associated Ministries of Thurston County, found the small walkout disappointing, but not surprising.

"It makes me embarrassed to know that some of our legislators can't even treat someone with that common respect," she said. "He's an American citizen and he's praying for their work, then how can it be an act of patriotism to walk away?"

McMahan said she does not oppose having a Muslim cleric deliver the prayer.

Her departure was not a protest, but a personal decision not to participate because "the religion is the focal point of the hate-America sentiment in the world."

"My god is not Mohammed," McMahan added.

Joban said that if he were invited to give the opening prayer, he would do it again.

"Even if half of them leave it's OK for me," Joban said. "As a Muslim we have to respect what people believe and . . . we have to forgive something because of ignorance.

"The Holy Quran says that (one should) always respond to bad action with good and those who used to be enemies become friends."


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To: Thinkin' Gal
"Al Quds" is just another name for Allah er Aelia Capitolina. Jupiter, Zeus, Allah... same abomination, different day.

We can always depend on you, Thinkin' Gal, to get to the root of the subject.

361 posted on 03/04/2003 3:17:40 PM PST by happygrl
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To: LowOiL
Straw City, Ill. and a very sad one at that.

Wrong. You make it sound like all principles are created equal and they are not.

It is WRONG to disrespect a religion based solely on the "principle" that you don't agree with the religion, not if you are an elected official. Wrong.

And don't hand me that cr*p about "standing for what you believe." If what you believe is WRONG, is CONTRARY to Constitutional principles, then you are NOT justified in your actions, PERIOD.

362 posted on 03/04/2003 3:19:36 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
I've been thinking about this a lot ...

lately !



This is used in engineering a lot !




"There are three kinds of people" ...




... # 1 --- they make (( good )) things happen !

... # 2 --- they don't know what happened ! !

... # 3 --- they (( butchers // hacks )) will never know what happened ! ! !


364 posted on 03/04/2003 3:22:31 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God ==Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY + Awakening + ))
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To: Illbay
You didn't even read what I wrote.

I've read each and every word you've written on this thread.

Tell you what: I'm going to ignore you from now on.

Kind of defeats the purpose of a discussion forum, doesn't it? Does that mean you give up?

It is obvious that you aren't interested in actually READING my arguments, just making my own.

Huh?

HINT: I said exactly the opposite of what you claim that I said. Get a clue.

I got a clue. You said that the vast majority of Americans don't commit hate crimes against Muslims, no matter what CAIR says, and then inferred heavily that 'bigots' like me and others here did.

Explain to me what I missed, and why I was wrong in calling that untruthful inference sleazy.

365 posted on 03/04/2003 3:22:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Illbay
Which, based on your gibberish above, doesn't include you.

Weak.

366 posted on 03/04/2003 3:24:03 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Illbay
I don't wish to ban Islam. You're just trying to put words into my mouth. That won't fly.

I AM saying that I don't have to love 'em.......I don't have to stand there and pretend to be reverent when an Imam issues a prayer. I know a bit about their religion; maybe you don't. I know who they're praying to. You obviously don't......or don't care.

You're welcome to your "enlightened view". I call it "lack of conviction".

367 posted on 03/04/2003 3:24:34 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: EternalVigilance; xzins; RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; CCWoody; ...
The pseudo-intellectual, ACLU, First Amendment smoke-and-mirrors Illbay spouts ignores the obvious truth that this country WAS FOUNDED ON AND CONTINUES TO BE BASED UPON JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

When we as a country invoke "God's" name, He is the God of the Old and New Testaments. He is NOT Allah; He is not Dogstar; He is not Isis; He is not Nature-Boy; He is not a Tree Spirit; He is not a warlock; He is not an all-encompassing Oneness.

God willing, He never will be.

368 posted on 03/04/2003 3:25:40 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Illbay
is CONTRARY to Constitutional principles

Please site what Constitutional principle these people broke Sir? I was unaware of the kiss the enemy clause.

369 posted on 03/04/2003 3:27:05 PM PST by LowOiL (Green Olives: makes a good tagline)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You are exactly right.
370 posted on 03/04/2003 3:27:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: ppaul
Every member of the legislature should have walked out.

Ditto that. The Islamists don't rush out to defend and declare their love for this country when it's attacked. I "question" the legitimacy of all Muslism and DO NOT give them the benefit of the doubt. The stakes are too high. Pray in privacy, but don't expect me to be welcoming you with open arms at this current juncture.

371 posted on 03/04/2003 3:29:23 PM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: sarcasm
"As a Muslim we have to respect what people believe and . . . we have to forgive something because of ignorance.

What a load of poo.....

Is he talking about the same Islam that is based on "holy" writings that specify destruction of the infidels (non-believers)?

372 posted on 03/04/2003 3:29:37 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: EternalVigilance
most find the assertions ridiculous

Ridiculous bordering on soul-destroying blasphemy.

Hopefully, clarity is on the horizon.

373 posted on 03/04/2003 3:31:20 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Sometimes clarity comes at a very high price.
374 posted on 03/04/2003 3:32:06 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: newgeezer
Thank you for your kind responses and glad to agree! :-)

One of the thoughts behind my original post #196 was the possibility that a Christian legislator may have remained on the floor to pray silently to the one true God.


"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God."
- Philippians 4:6 (NIV)

375 posted on 03/04/2003 3:33:22 PM PST by k2blader (Please do not feed the Tag Lion. ®oar.)
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To: Illbay
Thanks. I sent 'em an email telling them that they are a disgrace to the Republican party and their constituents, and ought to resign in disgrace.

I sent them the opposite. Islam is not standing up for America? What makes you think they are our friend? Until this war is over I'm leary of ANY Muslim and I'll leave them to be in peace, but I don't want any part of their culture or influence.

376 posted on 03/04/2003 3:34:12 PM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: RightOnline
I AM saying that I don't have to love 'em.......

No one says you do.

.......I don't have to stand there and pretend to be reverent when an Imam issues a prayer.

If you are an elected legislator, then the rules are different for you than if you are simply a private citizen. What really gets me about this situation is that these two didn't HAVE to even be there. I'm sure they were aware who was giving the prayer, but they chose to make a scene. I think that's reprehensible.

I hope the party leaders make it very difficult for them. We don't need "Republicans" like this. Let them join some other party.

377 posted on 03/04/2003 3:37:54 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
God willing, He never will be.

Amen

378 posted on 03/04/2003 3:37:56 PM PST by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: LowOiL
I was unaware that American Muslims were "the enemy."

Need to check with President Bush's office on this. Maybe they can correct your misconceptions.

379 posted on 03/04/2003 3:38:52 PM PST by Illbay
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To: EternalVigilance
clarity comes at a high price

I'm trusting in God and in "Shock and Awe."

When billions in defense tax dollars and decades of scientific advances lead talking heads to insist this war will last "a few weeks with limited casualties," I pray they know what they're talking about.

380 posted on 03/04/2003 3:42:02 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
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