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To: the_doc; Diamond
Perhaps it is inherently intuitive for man to see what is design and what is not, but that does not excuse the fact that no algorithm can be created such that design will be seen in every single case.

Unless an algorithm can be made, and a deterministic Turing machine created out of that algorithm, the concept of design remains a subjective property which only humans can judge, like the concept of beauty.

Additionally, I would like to ask you and Diamond: If God created everything, then what is not designed? Admitting that a water crystal has no design is tantamount to saying the Lord had no hand in shaping water's very unique properties.
63 posted on 03/05/2003 7:24:32 AM PST by Nataku X (Never give Bush any power you wouldn't want to give to Hillary.)
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To: Nakatu X
If God created everything, then what is not designed?

I detect the stirrings of your transcendental sensory organ.

64 posted on 03/05/2003 7:29:16 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: Nakatu X
Admitting that a water crystal has no design is tantamount to saying the Lord had no hand in shaping water's very unique properties.

I address this issue in #33.

Cordially,

66 posted on 03/05/2003 7:56:13 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Nakatu X; Diamond; general_re; PatrickHenry; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Nebullis; cornelis
Unless an algorithm can be made, and a deterministic Turing machine created out of that algorithm, the concept of design remains a subjective property which only humans can judge, like the concept of beauty.

Thanks for your post. I assume you are correct here. But I would have to say that I think some folks are barely human, so to speak, in the regard of human discernment.

(The dullness of fallen humanity ought to be addressed, even if it is a lot like trying to teach pigs to sing. [I assume that this is why Diamond and others have been willing to elucidate the philosophical details of what is already obvious to us.]

My point is that the anti-creation bias which fallen sinners have is profound. It is a problem in everyone, but the most intelligent anti-creationists often prove to be the biggest idiots. [For example, there is a decided tendency for the highest-IQ folks to be outright atheists--despite the obvious fact that atheism is intellectually untenable.]

The whole things is funny to us Christians, especially to us Calvinists [Psalm 2:4].)

73 posted on 03/05/2003 9:24:12 AM PST by the_doc
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