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To: betty boop
He sees only tautology because he's wants a "proper scientific proof" of an issue that is not properly a matter that falls within the range of the scientific method.

No, no, no - we are told that the design inference can produce reliable results, so we set off to explore that hypothesis. If it's testable, it quite nicely falls within the range of the scientific method. And if it proves to be untestable for one reason for another, then Dembski and ID theorists must withdraw it from the realm of science. But in either case, it was not I who proposed the design inference as science - it was ID theory. So let's find out if they're right.

In effect, what the General seems to be saying is that, if something cannot be demonstrated by means of the scientific method, then that something cannot be real.

Nope. I am testing the claims of ID theory - that design is real, and can be discovered via the design inference. Now, if you want to say that design is undetectable, that's fine, but you're parting company with Dembski and ID theorists...

494 posted on 03/27/2003 10:26:33 AM PST by general_re (The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.)
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To: general_re; Diamond; betty boop
If it's testable, it quite nicely falls within the range of the scientific method. And if it proves to be untestable for one reason for another, then Dembski and ID theorists must withdraw it from the realm of science.

Certainly so. Just as evolution theory must be understood for what it is, and not confused with science.

545 posted on 03/29/2003 5:46:41 AM PST by unspun ("Well I'm proud to be a FReeper, where at least I know I'm an American; and I won't forget....")
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