[CobaltBlue]

I find the claim that you can tell that God made things just by looking at them mystifying.

But then, I find everything about the Prime Mover mystifying.

We know the Universe exists, but where did the Universe come from?

If God created the Universe, who created God? And the argument that God always was, and always will be isn't very satisfying.

It's a variation on the "turtles all the way down" argument.

It gives me a headache every time I try to think about it. My brain is too small to comprehend, so I just accept the fact that I can't understand it, and just appreciate it.

I will say that Intelligent Design strikes me as sort of a logical fallacy. The people who argue it already believe in God. So naturally they see God's hand at work in the natural world.

But there is no science involved in it, just belief.

[general_re]

I find the claim that you can tell that God made things just by looking at them mystifying.

Well, to be fair, there's this whole involved process to it, you see. I think it still boils down to looking at things, but there you are...

[Diamond]

Thanks CobaltBlue for your commentary and questions on this thread. I may enlist your help for bee expertise!

... I find everything about the Prime Mover mystifying.

We know the Universe exists, but where did the Universe come from?

I think that you are recognizing and acknowledging here that the universe is contingent.

If God created the Universe, who created God? And the argument that God always was, and always will be isn't very satisfying.

Maybe not, but speaking of logical fallacies, the question, "who created God?" is a category fallacy. God is not an event.

Multiple universe theories are an attempt to get around the problem but then you've got to ask what is the "universe generator" required by such theories? THEN, and only then, it's turtles all the way down.

I will say that Intelligent Design strikes me as sort of a logical fallacy. The people who argue it already believe in God. So naturally they see God's hand at work in the natural world....

The same in reverse could be said for a purely materialistic view, except that then there is no rational, consistent basis for belief itself:^)

Cordially,