To: CobaltBlue
I don't understand the game. Here's the short version. The creationists tell us that there is a process by which we can reliably tell whether or not things were designed by some agent. So, the name of the game is to look at the various things and deduce whether they show signs of being designed or not. If this process proves accurate or useful in telling us about things we already know, then we can start to infer its usefulness for things that we don't already know to be designed or undesigned.
So, since you have an idea about what the last one is, is it designed or undesigned?
457 posted on
03/26/2003 7:07:57 PM PST by
general_re
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To: general_re
The last one is drawn comb. I keep bees. It looks like it was drawn on foundation, on a Langenstroth type frame.
But all that aside, the bees did it, using wax which they excreted from their wax glands, which they formed from honey and pollen they ingested.
Bees certainly have a form of intelligence, but my own perception is that they don't have higher consciousness.
They are able to adapt to changes in their environment in ways which I find quite extraordinary.
Does the queen bee educate the worker bees in bee knowledge, who in turn educate the baby bees, or is it instinctive?
Both. Some of it they are born with, some of it they learn from each other.
458 posted on
03/26/2003 7:24:11 PM PST by
CobaltBlue
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To: general_re
The last one is drawn comb. I keep bees. It looks like it was drawn on foundation, on a Langenstroth type frame.
But all that aside, the bees did it, using wax which they excreted from their wax glands, which they formed from honey and pollen they ingested.
Bees certainly have a form of intelligence, but my own perception is that they don't have higher consciousness.
They are able to adapt to changes in their environment in ways which I find quite extraordinary.
Does the queen bee educate the worker bees in bee knowledge, who in turn educate the baby bees, or is it instinctive?
Both. Some of it they are born with, some of it they learn from each other.
459 posted on
03/26/2003 7:25:20 PM PST by
CobaltBlue
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To: general_re
Sorry about the double post.
460 posted on
03/26/2003 7:26:25 PM PST by
CobaltBlue
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To: general_re
The catch-all Creationist response, however, is that because God created it all, there is going to be some form of intelligent design apparent in it to some extent.
I don't expect that to be a universal Creationist "rebuttal", but IMO there are enough of them who won't be able to understand why that response makes the "argument from design" functionally useless.
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