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To: betty boop; Dataman; Diamond; Rachumlakenschlaff; Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry; tacticalogic; ...
Remolding a phrase from the post above and others:

It is subjectivity (and distasteful and even impossible) to say "I will only hold to and make decisions based upon what is objective, regardless of constantly experiencing things beyond my objective comprehension." (One may even say, as bb has said that "comprehension" itself is definitively subjective.) Therefore, it is unnatural (impossible) for humans to regard and react only naturalistically.

That tells us something about the full nature of our "environment," as humans, just as we have teeth to chew food fit for us, and eyes to see what is around us by light, as any anthropologist, biologist (and evolutionist) would say. And human conceptualization goes far beyond what is critical for living beings to survive and thrive.

How about that way of saying it?

Blessings for your pastor's family and your local fellowship, Diamond.

tacticalogic, you might enjoy yourself in this thread.
265 posted on 03/10/2003 12:16:33 AM PST by unspun (A well regulated Baseball Team being necessary, the right to swing bats shall not be impinged.)
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To: unspun
It is subjectivity (and distasteful and even impossible) to say "I will only hold to and make decisions based upon what is objective, regardless of constantly experiencing things beyond my objective comprehension." (One may even say, as bb has said that "comprehension" itself is definitively subjective.) Therefore, it is unnatural (impossible) for humans to regard and react only naturalistically.

I don't often get involved in creationism/evolution threads, but I do tend to rail about people being subjective in the application of poltical philosophy. You are correct that pure objectivity is impossible, particularly with regard to physical sciences, where our faculties and senses are limited to a narrow range of perception. Politics and government are rather different matters, being abstract constructs of our own making. Moreover, subjectively making inferences where there is observed data that is otherwise unexplainable is unavoidable. Doing it when observable data in direct conflict with those inferences is readily available is quite another, IMHO. Not being able to be completely objective in all things at all times does not mean we should not be as objective as possible when it is possible and appropriate.

267 posted on 03/10/2003 4:46:26 AM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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Thank you for sharing your analysis, unspun! It is very curious indeed that human conceptualization goes far beyond what is critical for living beings to survive and thrive.

Diamond, I join in prayers for your pastor's family and all those who love him.

270 posted on 03/10/2003 6:28:17 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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284 posted on 03/10/2003 10:30:25 AM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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