If by "honest debate" you mean listening once again to the line of tedious crap that you ersatz patriots pass off as knowledge while pretending to channel the founders (like latter day Shirley Maclaines), then you're right. We've been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
Those wars were over long ago, and you missed a shipment.
"and you missed a shipment"
That is so rich...
I spend anywhere from 2 - 6 hours a day, 5-6 day each week, researching these issues (along witth many others) and I missed a "shipment".. oh my.. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time... Thanks...