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To: Citizen Tom Paine
At the moment, I'm in Australia, where most soft drugs are decriminalized. The penalty for marijuana posession is a "formal caution" - no fines, no jail, just a "caution".

Heroin is available if you want it, just walk down Smith Street (Smack Street) in Melbourne.

Gambling and brothels are legal also.

And you know what? Overall, for most people, it doesn't make that much difference. Most people usually don't take drugs after their twenties 'cause they have to hold down a job. They don't gamble because it's a waste of money. And they don't induldge in ho's because the wife or girlfriend will break up with them if they're caught.

There are people that abuse all three, but they aren't locked up. Instead, they pay the personal price of vice: bad health, financial ruin and broken relationships.

Making drugs legal won't make for a utopia. Locking up all the drug users won't make for a safe society.

The drug war is about control over your life. Drug use is a medical problem. In Australia, if you have a drug problem, you go see a doc, join a 12 step program, whatever.

However I will say that Heroin is a problem in some sections of town. Sometimes younger people get hooked on smack, and fund their habit through petty theft and the dole (welfare).



85 posted on 01/27/2003 6:29:59 AM PST by thisiskubrick (may the running liberal pig-dogs be turned into bbq toasties in the sea of fire)
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To: thisiskubrick
And you know what? Overall, for most people, it doesn't make that much difference. Most people usually don't take drugs after their twenties 'cause they have to hold down a job. They don't gamble because it's a waste of money. And they don't induldge in ho's because the wife or girlfriend will break up with them if they're caught.

There are people that abuse all three, but they aren't locked up. Instead, they pay the personal price of vice: bad health, financial ruin and broken relationships.

Making drugs legal won't make for a utopia. Locking up all the drug users won't make for a safe society.

The drug war is about control over your life...

thisiskubrick, Thanks for posting in FR's backroom. I agree with your tag line. The running liberal pig-dogs will indeed be turned into bbq toasties in the sea of fire.

As far as I know, no American government Roscoe-like creatures have yet declared it illegal to lurk about in seedy areas of the internet such as FR's backroom. In America we may pay to have government Roscoe's toss our threads into the backroom, but we damned well have a God-given right (for the moment) to lurk and post in the backrooms!

Of course, in America "the privacy in one's home" in which one is free to lurk may be re/un-defined at any moment by nest fulls of government Roscoe-like creatures. I'm sure Ashcroft is planning raids and mega-trials right now pursuant to the Anti-FR Backroom Commission's findings that lurking and posting in FR's backrooms is a danger equivalent to slothful witch-craft--and may prosecuted under statutes still on the books. And as he well should! If Ashcroft doesn't protect me from this vice of watching the back room antics of Roscoe and CJ, I will be in a worse condition than any image of a drug user LAYING IN THE STREETS that Roscoe or Cultural Holy Warrior could imagine! And then the rest of the country will soon follow. We need these raids now and some new anti-FR backroom legislation while they're at it.

And speaking of hordes of drug users LAYING IN THE STREETS. Mrs Graham and I spent a couple of enjoyable weeks in Melbourne a few years ago, and it being my first trip to Australia, I was very interested in keeping an eye out for any major differences between a socialist country ruled mainly by Soccer Dads/Moms and what we have here in socialist America--a coalition between "liberal" Soccer Dads/Moms and the Church Ladies and their Husbands.

Contrary to what we pay our government Holy Warriors to tell us, not only did we not see 3 million drug users LAYING IN THE STREETS, we didn't see any drug users LAYING IN THE STREETS. In fact, the STREETS seemed to have a liveliness not found in America's cities--especially in the late afternoons and evenings on the weekends.

On the whole, though, it seemed that Australia's Soccer Moms/Dads are used as dupes by the knavish Racketeers just as profitably as America's Church Ladies and their Husbands. Hence, your economic socialism is similar to ours. We noticed high level drug bust narco-cracy stories in the newspapers nearly every day. The way the Gambling Racket is run in Australia (1 major casino per state) is another example of how the Soccer Moms can be utilized just as fittingly as dupes for the knaves that rule the world.

But you have gambling "pokies" everywhere and you aren't waging a pogrom against gamblers and drug users. Millions of Australians have not been bullied into jails, prisons, probation, programs, and re-education camps. There's your difference between Soccer Mom Socialism and Church Lady Socialism.

137 posted on 01/27/2003 12:33:16 PM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham
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