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Refuting Darwinism, point by point
WorldNetDaily,com ^ | 1-11-03 | Interview of James Perloff

Posted on 01/11/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by DWar

EVOLUTION WATCH Refuting Darwinism, point by point Author's new book presents case against theory in just 83 pages

Posted: January 11, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: In 1999, author James Perloff wrote the popular "Tornado in a Junkyard," which summarizes much of the evidence against evolution and is considered one of the most understandable (while still scientifically accurate) books on the subject. Recently, WND talked with Perloff about his new book, "The Case Against Darwin."

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

QUESTION: Your new book is just 83 pages – and the type is large. What gives?

ANSWER: This past March I got a call from Ohio. There has been a battle there to allow critical examination of evolutionary theory in public schools, and a gentleman wanted 40 copies of Tornado to give to state legislators and school board members. I was delighted to send him the books, but I also knew that a state legislator isn't likely to pick up anything that's 321 pages long.

Q: And not just state legislators.

A: Right. We live in an age when parents often don't have time to read anything long, and their kids, who are usually more into video, may not have the inclination.

Q: So what's the focus of this book?

A: I've divided it into three chapters. The first is called "Is Darwin's Theory Relevant to Our Lives?" In other words, is the subject of this book worth my time or not? A lot of people think this is simply a science issue. And to some of them, science is booooring. But actually, it's the teaching of Darwin's theory as a "fact" that starts many young people doubting the existence of God. Once we stop believing in God, we discard his moral laws and start making up our own rules, which is basically why our society is in so much trouble. In short, Darwinism is very relevant – it's much more than a science matter.

Q: You, yourself, were an atheist for many years, were you not, as a result of evolutionary teaching?

A: That's right. I thought evolution had discredited the Bible. In my books, I give examples of notables who became atheists from being taught evolution, such as Stalin and Carnegie. In fact, the atheist Boy Scout who's been in the news reportedly attributes his atheism to being taught evolution.

Q: Why do you think evolution has such a persuasively negative effect on faith?

A: First, it's taught as "scientific fact." When kids hear "scientific fact," they think "truth." Who wants to go against truth? Second, it's the only viewpoint that's taught. After the Supreme Court kicked God out of schools in the '60s, kids heard the evolutionist viewpoint exclusively. It's like going to a courtroom – if you only heard the prosecutor's summation, you would probably think the defendant guilty. But if you only heard the defendant's attorney, you'd think "innocent." The truth is, we need to hear both sides, and kids haven't been getting it on the subject of origins.

Q: OK, then what?

A: The second chapter is "Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution." Let's face it, no matter what Darwinism's social ramifications, that alone would not be a sufficient basis to criticize it, if it were scientifically proven true.

Q: In a nutshell – if that's possible – what is the scientific evidence against Darwinism?

A: In the book, I focus on six areas of evidence. First, mutations – long claimed by evolutionists to be the building blocks of evolutionary change – are now known to remove information from the genetic code. They never create higher, more complex information – even in the rare cases of beneficial mutations, such as bacterial resistance to antibiotics. That has been laid out by Dr. Lee Spetner in his book "Not By Chance."

Q: What else?

A: Second, cells are now known to be far too complex to have originated by some chance concurrence of chemicals, as Darwin hypothesized and is still being claimed. We detail that in the book. Third, the human body has systems, such as blood clotting and the immune system, that are, in the words of biochemist Michael Behe, "irreducibly complex," meaning they cannot have evolved step-by-step. Behe articulated that in his book "Darwin's Black Box." And then there is the whole issue of transitional forms.

Q: What is a transitional form?

A: Darwin's theory envisioned that single-celled ancestors evolved into invertebrates (creatures without a backbone), who evolved into fish, who evolved into amphibians, who evolved into reptiles, who evolved into mammals. Now, a transitional form would be a creature intermediate between these. There would have to be a great many for Darwin's theory to be true.

Q: Are there?

A: There are three places to look for transitional forms. First, there's the living world around us. We see that it is distinctly divided – you have invertebrates, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals. But we don't see transitionals between them. If these creatures ever existed, why did none survive? It is too easy to explain it away by saying they all became extinct. And of course, there is the question: Why aren't these creatures evolving into each other today? Why aren't invertebrates evolving into fish today? Why aren't fish growing little legs and so forth?

Q: Where else would you look for a transitional form?

A: In the fossil record. And here we have a problem of almost comparable magnitude. We find no fossils showing how the invertebrates evolved, or demonstrating that they came from a common ancestor. That's why you hear of the "Cambrian explosion." And while there are billions of fossils of both invertebrates and fish, fossils linking them are missing. Of course, there are some transitional fossils cited by evolutionists. However, two points about that. First, there should be a lot more if Darwin's theory is correct. Second, 99 percent of the biology of an organism is in its soft anatomy, which you cannot access in a fossil – this makes it easy to invest a fossil with a highly subjective opinion. The Piltdown Man and the recent Archaeoraptor are examples of how easy it is to be misled by preconceptions in this arena.

Q: What is the other place where you can look for transitional forms?

A: Microscopically, in the cell itself. Dr. Michael Denton, the Australian molecular biologist, examined these creatures on a molecular level and found no evidence whatsoever for the fish-amphibian-reptile-mammal sequence. He summarized his findings in his book "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis."

The last chapter is "Re-evaluating Some Evidences Used to Support the Theory" of evolution. That would include evidences that have been discredited, and also some evidences presented as proof that in fact rest on assumptions.

Q: What evidences have been discredited?

A: Ernst Haeckel's comparative embryo drawings. The human body being laden with "vestigial structures" from our animal past. Human blood and sea water having the same percentage of salt. Babies being born with "monkey tails." These are not foundational evidences, but they still hold sway in the public mind.

Q: You mentioned assumptions as proofs.

A: Yes. Anatomical similarities between men and animals are said to prove common ancestry. But intelligent design also results in innumerable similarities, as in the case of two makes of automobile. Also, what has been called "microevolution" – minor adaptive changes within a type of animal – is extrapolated as evidence for "macroevolution" – the changing of one kind of animal into another. However, a species is normally endowed with a rich gene pool that permits a certain amount of variation and adaptation. Certainly, those things happen. But the change is ordinarily limited to the confines of the gene pool. It doesn't mean a fish could adapt its way into being a human.

Q: You covered a lot of this ground in "Tornado in a Junkyard." Can readers expect something new from "The Case Against Darwin"?

A: There is a bit of new material, but no, if you've read "Tornado," or for that matter, if you read the July 2001 Whistleblower, where we looked at evolution, you already know most of the points. What's new is the size. This is a book to give to a busy friend, a book for a high-school student to share with his science teacher.

"The Case Against Darwin" by James Perloff is available from ShopNetDaily.


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To: diode
1. The theory that cells originated from inanimate materials/mechanisms is disproved.

It has been disproved, in fact, there has never been any scientific evidence for it in the first place. You seem to think that anything you say is a valid scientific theory. Sorry, that is not the case. A scientific theory has to be based on the known facts, not on what someone wants to believe.

261 posted on 01/13/2003 7:06:56 PM PST by gore3000
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To: All
Blue skipping placemarker.
262 posted on 01/13/2003 7:11:31 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: gore3000
That is why atheists and materialists cannot come up with any reasonable hypothesis for life arising from non-living matter which fits what is scientifically known about life.

There is certainly nothing definitive currently on the table with regards to the origin of life. However, it may interest you to learn that origin of life is, in actuality, a separate area of investigation than the theory of evolution.

With regards to the theory of evolution, I posted this earlier over here.

That these three mechanisms exist is uncontested. And there is no known barrier that might limit changes produced by combinations of these mechanisms. Abiogenesis is anther topic altogether.

263 posted on 01/13/2003 7:29:10 PM PST by Condorman (Genius does what it must; Talent what it can)
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To: gore3000

g3k wrote
"Fairy tales are not science. Science is about facts"

it sure is keep your creationist fantasies I'll take the hard truth


btw How old is the Earth?
264 posted on 01/13/2003 7:32:17 PM PST by Sentis
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To: gore3000
Okay then, if God created life (will you admit to that?) then why do evolutionists deem it impossible that He created man?

I don't deem it impossible. Nyah.

Mind you, I don't accept that "God created life". Of course, I don't believe in any gods, and you've not bothered to explain exacly which "God" you are referencing.
265 posted on 01/13/2003 7:35:36 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Condorman
Condorman wrote "There are no anomalies that threaten these three basic precepts, and no evidence for any other mechanisms"

Sorry but there is one more recent addition to these three thats genetic drift due to viral encroachment in DNA. Viral infections have done more to create stable increases in genetic complexity than the other three combined but we are just now learning the process by which it works. Of course this proves one thing. Evolutionary theory changes as the known scientific date changes (creationist can't get past that 6000 year thing).
266 posted on 01/13/2003 7:38:33 PM PST by Sentis
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To: metacognative
But such organizing effort IS counter to the Second Law.

Please explain the second law and how it relates here?

So often I hear the second law cited, but I've never seen it used in such a way that shows the person citing it actually understands what it really means.
267 posted on 01/13/2003 7:40:00 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: PatrickHenry
End-of-session placemarker.
268 posted on 01/13/2003 7:46:59 PM PST by PatrickHenry (PH is really a great guy!)
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To: Sentis
No kidding? Learn something new every day. And here I thought genetic drift was primarily a drunkard's walk that fell within the realm of the three mechanisms I posted.

I guess I pays to stay current. How long (give or take) since this first appeared in one o' dem those pesky peer-review journals?
269 posted on 01/13/2003 7:48:07 PM PST by Condorman (Killing turkeys causes winter)
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To: Dimensio
They don't know what it means they quote it because it makes them look like they are using science to prove their point. The second law basically states that in any given system there is always a net loss of energy and as such a loss in energy brings a decrease in complexity. The reality is that the system in question is the Universe. In the Universe there are eddies of energy called suns and suns give off energy which fuels other systems. example, The gravity and heat produced by a sun creates the environment where planets can form. That same solar energy can cause calm weather to become more complex and create tornado's and hurricanes even a storm is a less complex system made more complex by the addition of solar energy. Life works in much the same way it is a complex system given energy from the sun and from natural chemical processes. Evolution does not violate the second law any more than a storm (less complex to more complex) violates it. The system is losing energy but receives much more energy from the Sun.
270 posted on 01/13/2003 7:51:33 PM PST by Sentis
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To: Condorman
The work on Viral genetic drift is being done at Washington university by Glenn C. Conroy, Ph.D. ,John McDonald of the University of Georgia, King Jordan at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institutes of Health,and Linda Van Blerkom Ph. D Drew University (whose work is currently under review),

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/020802075138.htm

http://research.medicine.wustl.edu/ocfr/Research.nsf/Abstracts/CB3966D495C7E99C8625677D0059242A?OpenDocument&VW=Imaging
http://users.drew.edu/~lvanbler/


Do I need more?

271 posted on 01/13/2003 8:04:26 PM PST by Sentis
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To: Sentis
Heheh... That'll do. I just wanted a couple of papers to peruse.

'Preesh.
272 posted on 01/13/2003 8:18:38 PM PST by Condorman (Whaddaya mean "the Theory of Evolution is evolving"?)
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To: Sentis
Now here's an interesting passage from your first link:


273 posted on 01/13/2003 8:34:40 PM PST by Condorman (Microsoft: celebrating over 15 years of continuous obsolescence)
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To: Condorman
I believe that that are a number of variables that drive evolution. Solar Radiation, Terrestrial radiation, Environmental changes, and last but not least Virus' and I believe bacteria would drive a creature to evolve as well.

I believe that these are the MAIN driving forces behind evolution, without one of these, evolution would continue but at a much lesser rate.

There are probably other variables of course, but I believe that the above examples are the main ones. Each in some way shape or form force a lifeform to change in some way. Sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worse, for the worse of course, the lifeform would probably die.
274 posted on 01/13/2003 9:12:26 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: gore3000
I believe that you are indeed clueless, back to ignore for you.
275 posted on 01/13/2003 9:13:18 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: Aric2000
Solar Radiation -> may contribute to variation via mutation; selection by inducing climate change

Terrestrial radiation -> may contribute to variation via mutation

Environmental changes -> selection pressure

Virus -> may cause variation through genome alteration; contributes to selection in the case of disease

bacteria -> provides selection pressure in the case of illness, disease or parasitism; may reduce selection pressue in the case of symbiotes.
276 posted on 01/13/2003 9:49:18 PM PST by Condorman (Bother! said Pooh, as he thrust the stake through Barney's heart)
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To: diode
Alright, so your default position is essentially agnostic.

Yes

A theisitic postion would then follow only if the following conditions are met:

1. The theory that cells originated from inanimate materials/mechanisms is disproved.

2. An "unknown third hypothesis" is disproved.

3. Intelligent design is proved.

Only then, it seems, would you conclude that the universe was intelligently designed. Do I have it right.

Not exactly.

My point about the unknown third hypothesis was that disproving one hypothesis does not prove any others. To give you an example take the medieval theories on disease. You had one group of people who believed that sickness was caused by an imbalance of body fluids. Others believed that disease was the result God's punishment for human sin. It turned out they were both wrong. At the time nobody could even comprehend that small organisms were responsible. It wasn't until the invention of the microscope and the discovery of bacteria and viruses that the germ theory of disease could be tested and proved. If you lived in medieval times and showed fluid imbalances weren't the cause of disease, then it would be ridiculous in hindsight to think that could be used as proof of God's punishment causing diseases. Future scientific advances could show that evolution is wrong (IMO evolution will stand the test of time) while also showing that ID is not correct because of some reason that we cannot comprehend at present. As long as you could prove ID then you don't have to disprove anything else. However, disproving every other known theory does not prove ID by itself.

277 posted on 01/13/2003 11:49:35 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: rmmcdaniell
Future scientific advances could show that evolution is wrong (IMO evolution will stand the test of time) while also showing that ID is not correct because of some reason that we cannot comprehend at present. As long as you could prove ID then you don't have to disprove anything else. However, disproving every other known theory does not prove ID by itself.

I lost track of what I was talking about. Sorry for the confusion. This should be spontanious generation vs ID not evolution vs ID. I believe with current evidence that evolution has been proven but not spontanious generation.

278 posted on 01/13/2003 11:58:33 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: diode; rmmcdaniell
Future scientific advances could show that evolution is wrong (IMO evolution will stand the test of time) while also showing that ID is not correct because of some reason that we cannot comprehend at present. As long as you could prove ID then you don't have to disprove anything else. However, disproving every other known theory does not prove ID by itself.

I lost track of what I was talking about. Sorry for the confusion. This should be spontanious generation vs ID not evolution vs ID. I believe with current evidence that evolution has been proven but not spontanious generation.

279 posted on 01/14/2003 12:00:41 AM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: Condorman
The great thing about viral genetic drift is that when this scientific evidence finally comes into the mainstreanm it will answer most of the questions that Crevos ask about evolution. I don't think viral drift fits in your big three of evolutionary change but that doesnt mean it couldnt possibly fit in the "variation catagory". My problem is it is not variation as most people think of it. It is more Variation caused by an external organism rewriting the DNA of the host creature.
280 posted on 01/14/2003 3:25:41 AM PST by Sentis
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