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At War on the Border:First drug dealers, next a wave of illegal immigration,then fear of terrorists
Tuscon Weekly ^ | Leo W. Banks

Posted on 12/24/2002 1:18:42 PM PST by sarcasm

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To: MissAmericanPie
BRAVO
and a very Merry Christmas
to you and all

21 posted on 12/24/2002 3:05:24 PM PST by madfly
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To: sarcasm
"We don't lie out here. I'll tell you exactly how it is. These Border Patrol chiefs are the sorriest SOBs I've ever seen."

He's not lying,but he IS mistaken. The sorriest SOB's around are the spineless and/or corrupt bastards in the RNC and the White House who not only permit the illegal alien problem to exist,but whose actions even encourage it. All the Border Patrol brass are doing is following the orders of their political masters.

There is no question that sooner or later somebody is going to kill some illegals who are tresspassing and threatening them. The real question is "What will happen when this rancher is arrested,prosecuted,and convicted of both murder,and a hate crime. Will the locals allow this man or woman to be dragged off to serve time in both state and feral prisons for protecting themselves and their property,or will they finally put their foot down and demand he or she be released? What will happen then? Will the feds bring in US Marshalls and others to try to take over the local sheriff's office? I think they will. Bubba-2 and his pals really have no other choice if they want Mexican oil contracts.

There may just be revolution in the air.

22 posted on 12/24/2002 3:05:35 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: 11B3
Whatever happened to being able to protect your own land?

Well, it's not really your land anymore, is it? Once the illegals force the ranchers out, the Feds can declare it a wilderness area, destroy any roads, and let the illegals take it over completely.

23 posted on 12/24/2002 3:05:40 PM PST by Hugin
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To: WarHawk42
Isn't it funny private citizens can do what the government won't do?

"WON'T" is the right word,not "can't". They aren't even pretending they can't anymore.

Homeland security is a total joke as long as anyone can cross our borders at their convenience.

"Homeland Security" has nothing at all to do with illegal aliens,and everything to do with controlling American citizens.

It is going to take a lot of light shed on this subject to get the powers that be in Washington to do anything about it.

They aren't going to do anything about it because illegal aliens are a tool they are using to destroy our sovereignty,and to create a new nation composed of Canada,the US,and Mexico. Of course,a new Constitution will be needed. It's about "Corporate Communism".

24 posted on 12/24/2002 3:12:11 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Lurker
Patton bumps.
25 posted on 12/24/2002 3:12:50 PM PST by lodwick
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To: sarcasm
Time to reinstate "operation Phoenix".
28 posted on 12/24/2002 3:39:54 PM PST by oceanperch
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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Squantos; Chapita; harpseal
Ping!
29 posted on 12/24/2002 3:42:14 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: cryofan3
The immigration revolution, where anti-immigration speech and acts are, or soon will, "hate crimes" is the only revolution I see happening. And it will further increase the supply of labor and increase profits.

I agree with this,but I still think the feds trying to take over a local sheriff's dept will be the spark that ignites it. No,this won't happen in middle-America,but plenty of folks are fed up along the border towns,and these people have families who had stood together for generations. These aren't the same type of people who live in the big cities. All it would take to get this thing started would be for one of them to be sent to federal prison for defending themselves. If the locals were to rise up and toss the feds out,there is no telling how many people who go there to back them up. It could get ugly quick.

I have to tell you,if I ever come home and find people standing in my kitchen and eating my food,nobody will be calling them "undocumented workers". They will be calling them "dead SOB's".

30 posted on 12/24/2002 3:50:27 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: 11B3
Whatever happened to being able to protect your own land?

That's another myth, that we own land.  The State allows you to own it as long as you pay them their dues.  Don't pay your property tax and you won't own it.

I'm afraid I would not have the patience these people are showing.  I would probably have been in prison a long time ago.

WarHawk42

31 posted on 12/24/2002 4:09:00 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: MissAmericanPie
That is an excellent idea.:)  What better gift than that.  A new toy won't replace a lost country.

WarHawk42

32 posted on 12/24/2002 4:11:23 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: sneakypete
The sorriest SOB's around are the spineless and/or corrupt bastards in the RNC and the White House who not only permit the illegal alien problem to exist,but whose actions even encourage it.

Agreed.

33 posted on 12/24/2002 4:13:11 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: madfly
FOR THE THIRD TIME --- TAKE ME OFF YOUR PING LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
34 posted on 12/24/2002 4:24:38 PM PST by mathluv
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To: sneakypete
"WON'T" is the right word,not "can't". They aren't even pretending they can't anymore.

I know.  I chose that word for that very reason.  It isn't a question of "can't".  It is obvious they won't.

"Homeland Security" has nothing at all to do with illegal aliens,and everything to do with controlling American citizens.

Homeland Security was to make the sheeple feel safe while they lost more of their freedoms.  9/11 was a convenient excuse to put into place what they already wanted to do but hadn't got done yet.

They aren't going to do anything about it because illegal aliens are a tool they are using to destroy our sovereignty,and to create a new nation composed of Canada,the US,and Mexico. Of course,a new Constitution will be needed. It's about "Corporate Communism".

I'm not convinced we can't win this battle.  The polls are with us and if we can keep stepping up the pressure I think it can be done.  There isn't hardly anyone left in America that doesn't see the disaster we are headed for.  Illegal immigration has become so wide spread there are few places that aren't affected.

It isn't just the border states anymore and it isn't just the mexicans either.

I know what the agenda is and I think this could be a big set back for them.

WarHawk42

35 posted on 12/24/2002 4:26:58 PM PST by WarHawk42
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To: sneakypete
A few years back, in Limhi county here in Idaho, a rancher went out one cold winter morning and found a wolf eating on a calf it had killed that morning.

' The rancher shot the wolf and then made the mistake of reporting it to the local federal agency to insure he complied with the Federal requirements because the wolf is endangered.

A couple of weeks later, without checking in with the local Sheriff, a couple of Fedral Law Enforcement folks showed up at the guys ranch and indicated they were going to investigate and that he needed to answer some questions. The rancher called his Sheriff.

The Sheriff came out and got into a verbal match with the Federal guys. The Sheriff ended up ordering them to leave his county and he and a deputy had to all but draw down on the two to get them to leave. They left, threatening to come back and go after the Sheriff for interfering with a Federal "investigation".

I was living a good 90 miles away in Dillon, MT at the time and word of this spread all over that part of the country. Many of us determined to assist the Sheriff if the Feds returned to make good on their claim. If they had, there would have been several hundred armed locals to back up the Sheriff.

They never came back and bothered the Sheriff in that way and the rancher was cleared of issues with that wolf.

What you are talking about could easily happened if it was pushed too far. No one wants it to. Everyone wants to resolve the issues and have our government stand up for its citizen's rights. If they don't ... and it continues ... there will be trouble. It was close last year in Klamath, and I thank God that they stood down and at least returned things to the status quo (but they didn't fix it and the ranchers there recognize this).

The issues along the border are a tender box ... even more volatile IMHO than Klamath was or any issue dealing ith endangered wolves or other species.

36 posted on 12/24/2002 4:27:14 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: sneakypete
I'd have to avoid such situations, or risk prison time!
37 posted on 12/24/2002 4:37:43 PM PST by Chapita
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To: Jeff Head
The issues along the border are a tender box ... even more volatile IMHO than Klamath was or any issue dealing ith endangered wolves or other species.

I agree. There will be people die and other people go to jail and lose everything they own,for no good reason other than trying to do the job the feral gooberment is obligated to do,but ignoring. This doesn't need to happen,but thanks to government neglect,it will. I see no way around it.

38 posted on 12/24/2002 4:42:56 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sarcasm
"We don't lie out here. I'll tell you exactly how it is. These Border Patrol chiefs are the sorriest SOBs I've ever seen."

The truth is they can shoot them and bury them in the back yard and no one would know...that is what America has come to

39 posted on 12/24/2002 4:46:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sarcasm
Thanks for the ping. Even though I moved to Idaho, I still have a dog in this hunt. My elderly parents and my 19 year old son still live in Chula Vista. They hear gun shots on a fairly regular basis. I paid my parents to stay in the "spare" bedroom for 6 months when my company assigned me to a contract in San Diego with no reimbursement for travel expenses. On evenings when I returned "home" early (7 to 9 PM), there were drug deals occurring in cars parked in front of my parent's house. The "lily white" demographics of the neighborhood my parents selected in 1962 is now predominantly "hispanic" with a very high rate of violent and property crime.

I acquired a ham radio license in 1976 while attending graduate school at SDSU. An elderly rancher (WB6DSP) was selling a nice 2-meter rig and was in the hospital nearby SDSU. I purchased the rig from him so he would have the funds necessary to buy an even nicer radio. He mentioned the problem with illegals trespassing on his property at that point in time (near Campo).

In 1979, my company sent me to the home of a fisherman to install a new marine HF SSB radio so his wife could communicate with the boat. She was lamenting all the damage done to their property by illegals. That home was located on a "truck trail" off 94 beyond Dulzura.

The south and east county rural residents have been fighting the illegal problems for over 30 years. Many of the brush fires in that area are started by illegals. Sometimes it is accidental. Sometimes it is with the express intent to do harm to the people who own and live on the property in that area.</p.

40 posted on 12/24/2002 4:47:45 PM PST by Myrddin
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