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To: Non-Sequitur
Thanks for the posts, Non-Sequitur, but I'm afraid most of your quotes in the post above cite multiple or other reasons for the dissolution of the Union, than your favored liberal theory that the South did everything, and everything the South did, was always about Negro captivity, or slavery, or hanging Negroes, or hanging Negroes and setting them on fire.

You're just waving the bloody shirt as usual, and you've got some Clinton appointees waving it for you at the Park Service.

A situation which needs remediation, even as it is my opportunity to perform a public service by remediating your posts here.

Folks, read his post very carefully. You'll see that his quotes support his contention only sporadically -- and these are Confederate orators he is quoting.

81 posted on 12/22/2002 12:34:52 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
Thanks for the posts, Non-Sequitur, but I'm afraid most of your quotes in the post above cite multiple or other reasons for the dissolution of the Union, than your favored liberal theory that the South did everything, and everything the South did, was always about Negro captivity, or slavery, or hanging Negroes, or hanging Negroes and setting them on fire.

For example?

86 posted on 12/22/2002 1:24:57 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: lentulusgracchus
Thanks for the posts, Non-Sequitur, but I'm afraid most of your quotes in the post above cite multiple or other reasons for the dissolution of the Union, than your favored liberal theory that the South did everything, and everything the South did, was always about Negro captivity, or slavery, or hanging Negroes, or hanging Negroes and setting them on fire.

"In simple words rarely heard in the United States Senate, Wigfall of Texas had said: "I am a plain, blunt-spoken man. We say that man has a right to property in man. We say that slaves are our property. We say that it is the duty of every government to protect its property everywhere. If you wish to settle this matter, declare that slaves are property, and like all other property entitled to be protected in every quarter of the globe, on land and sea, Say that to us, and then the difficulty is settled." Jefferson Davis was saying, "Slave property is the only private property in the United States specifically recognized in the Constitution and pro- tected by it."

...Edwin A. Pollard of Virginia had just published "Black Diamonds," calling for the African slave trade to be made lawful again; then negroes fresh from the jungles could be sold in southern seaports at $ioo.oo to $150.00 at-head. "The poor man might then hope to own a negro; the prices of labor would then be in his reach; he would be a small farmer revolutionizing the character of agriculture in the South; he would at once step up to a respectable station in the social system of the South; and with this he would acquire a practical and dear interest in the general institution of slavery that would constitute its best protection both at home and abroad. He would no longer be a miserable, nondescript cumberer of the soil, scratching the land here and there for a subsistence, living from band to mouth) or trespassing along the borders of the possessions of the large proprietors. He would be a proprietor himself. He would no longer be the scorn and sport of 'gentlemen of color' who parade their superiority, rub their well-stuffed black skins, and thank God they are not as he. Of all things I cannot bear to see negro slaves, affect superiority over the poor, needy, unsophisticated whites, who form a terribly large proportion of the population of the South."

Pollard could vision steps and advances "toward the rearing of that great Southern Empire, whose seat is eventually to be in Central America, and whose boundaries are to enclose the Gulf of Mexico." Ahead were "magnificent fields of romance" for the South, as he saw its future. "It is an empire founded on military ideas; representing the noble peculiarities of southern civilization; including within its limits the isthmuses of America and the regenerated West Indies; having control of the two dominant staples of the world's commerce—cotton and sugar; possessing the highways of the world's commerce; surpassing all empires of the world's ages in the strength of its geographical position."

Philadelphia newspapers quoted a speech by Senator Herschel V. Johnson of Georgia in their city. "We believe that capital should own labor; is there any doubt that there must be a laboring class everywhere? In all countries and under every form of social organization there must be a laboring class -- a class of men who get their living from the sweat of their brow; and then there must be another class that controls and directs the capital of the country. He pleaded: "Slave property stands upon the same footing as all other descriptions of property."

--"Abraham Lincoln, Vol. II, Prairie Years, by Carl Sandburg pp.217-221

The election of Lincoln showed that slavery was not safe in the Union.

The slave power through down Old Glory to protect slavery.

Walt

99 posted on 12/22/2002 2:47:58 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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