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To: Paul Ross
The Federal body is the superior one

Perhaps this is where we part, Mr. Ross. The states are more powerful -ie. the people. I believe in soveriegnty, home-rule, and limited powers on the federal government (see ammendment X) just as the Founders intended.

Good e'vn

450 posted on 12/30/2002 10:13:27 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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I also respect the 10th Amendment, but nothing in that controverts Article VII, clause two:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

452 posted on 12/30/2002 10:50:48 PM PST by Paul Ross
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To: stainlessbanner; Paul Ross
The Federal body is the superior one

Perhaps this is where we part, Mr. Ross. The states are more powerful -ie. the people. I believe in soveriegnty, home-rule, and limited powers on the federal government (see ammendment X) just as the Founders intended.

But you don't quote the founders.

James Madison:

"The essential difference between a free Government and Governments not free, is that the former is founded in compact, the parties to which are mutually and equally bound by it. Neither of them can have a greater right to break off from the bargain, then the other or others have to hold them to it. And certainly there is nothing in the Virginia resolutions of --98, adverse to this principle, which is that of common sense and common justice. The fallacy which draws a different conclusion from them lies in confounding a single party, with the parties to the Constitutional compact of the United States. The latter having made the compact may do what they will with it. The former as one only of the parties, owes fidelity to it, till released by consent, or absolved by an intolerable abuse of the power created....

"It is high time that the claim to secede at will should be put down by the public opinion; and I shall be glad to see the task commenced by someone who understands the subject."

12/23/32

Oh, check this out:

...in 1842 a group of prominent southern slaveholding members of the House of Representatives crafted the following statement to condemn the idea that the Union was not permanent:

"Whereas, the Federal Constitution is a permanent form of Government and of perpetual obligation... and the dissolution of the Union necessarily implies the destruction of that instrument, the overthrow of the American Republic, and the extinction of our national existance... [To advocate breaking up the Union is thus] a high breach of privilege, a contempt offered to this House, ... and involves necessarily, in its execution and its consequences, the destruction of our country and the crime of high treason." [Source: Congressional Globe, Jan. 1842, pp. 169-170.]

You don't quote the record, because the record will not support your position.

Walt

470 posted on 12/31/2002 10:47:29 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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