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To: WhiskeyPapa
It's like Bruce Catton said -- the south was almost helpless when it came to making war.

I was right about you -- you like that wings off flies stuff.

Why do you pull the wings off flies, Wlat? To get their lunches?

"Helpless"......like at Chickamauga, and Chancellorsville. Yeah, the Confederacy was "helpless", all right. Tell me another.

418 posted on 12/30/2002 8:56:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I recently heard an interesting argument: by admitting Texas to the Union, the United States of America implicitly accepted the legality of Texas's secession from the United States of Mexico.
421 posted on 12/30/2002 9:07:19 AM PST by aristeides
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Helpless"......like at Chickamauga, and Chancellorsville. Yeah, the Confederacy was "helpless", all right. Tell me another.

To buy at home or abroad the the goods the army needed was one thing; to move them to the places where the army wanted them was quite another. Lacking a financial and industrial system equal to the demands of a large war, the South lacked also a proper transportation system. It had many railroads but no real railroad network, because hardly any of its railroads had been built with through traffic in mind.

Most of them had been conceived of as feeder lines, to move cotton to the wharves at river towns or at seaports...this handicap, to be sure, existed also in the north, but there it was not so serious. It had been recognized earlier, and it was being removed; and the significant point was that in the North it -could- be removed, and in the South, it could not.

The South was almost helpless in this respect. Nearly all its locomotives, spikes, car wheels, car bodies and other items of equipment had come from the north...

As the nation's need for an adequate transportation increased, the system wuld grow weaker and weaker, and there was no earthly help for it....these problems , indeed, were so grave and pointed so surely towards final defeat that one is faced to wonder how the founding fathers of the Confederacy could possibly have overlooked them. The answer perhaps is that the problems were not so much unseen as uncomprehended. At bottom they were Yankee problems; concerns of the broker, the money changer, the trader, the mechanic, the grasping man of business; they were matters that such people would think of, not matters that would command the attention of aristocrats who who were familiar with valor, the classics and heroric atttitudes. Secession itself had involved a flight from reality rather than an approach to it....Essentially, this was the reliance of a group that knew little of the modern world but which did not know nearly enough and could never understand that it did not know enough. It ran exactly parallel to Mr. Davis's magnificent statement that the duration of the war could be left up to the enemy--the war would go on until the enemy gave up, and it did not matter how far off that day might be.

The trouble was it did matter. It mattered enormously.

--The Coming Fury, p. 438-439, by Bruce Catton

"Alone in the south, Baltimore had the capital, expertise, and tooling to remake the southern rails as fast as they wore out (or were blown up). So too, alone in the South, Baltimore had the resources to create ironclad vessels up to Yankee standards. Instead, this pivotal slave-hoding city boosted the Union's powerful advantage....In contrast, under the crushing Civil War tasks of moving gigantic quantities of food, troops and military equipment, Confederate railroads succumed faster than Confederate troops. By midwar, an aid to the Confederacy's western commander lamented that, "locomotives had not been repaired for six months, and many of them lay disabled." The colonel knew "not one place in the South where a driving-wheel can be made, and not one where a whole locomotive can be constructed."

--The South vs. TheSouth, p. 63-64 by William W. Freehling

Walt

425 posted on 12/30/2002 10:31:08 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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