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To: gore3000
Of course it does. Irreducible complexity proves design and Darwin himself admitted that it would disprove his theory.

More proof by repetition.

(BTW - since there were no human designers when bacteria arose, guess Who that designer was?)

I've already guessed here at freerepublic, in your presence, at least three times that I remember. In my opinion, the designer will turn out to be a hot community of co-operatively interacting RNA captured inside long-lasting sulfurize bubble clumps.

Can I prove it? No, no more than Behe can prove the existence of irreducible complexity.

And, by the way, bacteria are not the hard case. The hard case is viruses. Viruses are simple because they prey on the DNA of other entities. How viruses could have come to be is the worst of the chicken and egg problems, in my opinion.

However, my paradigm provides a possible answer: they were the working arm of the pre-DNA co-operating communities for altering the pattern of the next adjacent RNA group in whatever closed cycle the RNA's modified each other to keep going. Analogs to the ribosomes in our biota, which are the engines that read the RNA tapes to produce proteins.

What does your paradigm provide us with? A picture of a loving God who thought poleomylitis would be a chummy good thing to do to my children.

877 posted on 12/19/2002 12:49:25 PM PST by donh
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To: donh; newgeezer; al_c; SoothingDave
In my opinion, the designer will turn out to be a hot community of co-operatively interacting RNA captured inside long-lasting sulfurize bubble clumps.

Wow, move over God, you've been replaced by... yeah those co-operative thingies. Probably won't be any Sunday services for those will there?

883 posted on 12/19/2002 1:31:25 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: donh
Of course it does. Irreducible complexity proves design and Darwin himself admitted that it would disprove his theory. (BTW - since there were no human designers when bacteria arose, guess Who that designer was?) -me-

In my opinion, the designer will turn out to be a hot community of co-operatively interacting RNA captured inside long-lasting sulfurize bubble clumps.

The above is as you say a guess. Science says otherwise. The impossibility of arranging the DNA bases totally at random says it is impossible. In addition is the chicken-egg problem that not only do you need that long string of DNA but you also need the cell itself and all that that entails in order to get a living reproducing organism. In addition to that we know so little as to chemosynthesis (which is what you are speaking about) that we are not even able to describe how it occurs. So again this is scientifically impossible. Of course, I am sure that such great scientists as Art Bell may disagree with me.

893 posted on 12/19/2002 5:07:36 PM PST by gore3000
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To: donh
No, no more than Behe can prove the existence of irreducible complexity.

Behe proved it. He gave incontrovertible scientific proof for irreducible complexity. No one has been able to refute it in the 6 years or so it has been out there. Further, as I have said, Darwin himself made the challenge, Behe met it. Evolution is dead.

896 posted on 12/19/2002 5:17:17 PM PST by gore3000
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