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To: exmarine
God thought about what the universe would consist of and look like in every detail, then he created it as a physical reality.

And how, exactly, is this different from "imagining the universe up"?

You seem to be saying it is possible that the universe is not objectively real

Sigh. No, I did not say this. I said you can't demonstrate it wasn't imagined up. Reality can be just a real as can be, and that still doesn't demonstrate squat about where it came from.

, and I have blown holes in that theory galore as it is inconsistent with human experience, rationality - it's a non-rational suggestion out of your imagination (my God is rational, not non-rational), and is contrary to all known evidence and human experience.

You have persistently attempted to disprove a dopey position I do not hold. Congratulations on that fine catch of barrel-fish.

Then you doubted the reality of rationality itself in which case your very words became a victim to y our own argument.

I asked you where I suggested this, and you did not answer. I will assume that you are just coasting along on autopilot now, from the rude, irrelevant, repetitive nature of your responses.

6,145 posted on 01/28/2003 3:28:58 PM PST by donh
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To: donh
And how, exactly, is this different from "imagining the universe up"?

You tell me. God created it and it is here. Why do you care whether or not He thought about it first? What possible difference does it make - either way God created it and the end result is the same.

Sigh. No, I did not say this. I said you can't demonstrate it wasn't imagined up. Reality can be just a real as can be, and that still doesn't demonstrate squat about where it came from.

It really doesn't affect my arguments at all if God thought about it first before He acted. The fact is God is the causative agent whether He did it without thinking or after thinking. Either way, it is just as materially real. So, what exactly is the significance of your argument?

6,147 posted on 01/28/2003 3:36:47 PM PST by exmarine
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