IF a property is inmparted by an observer to an object, THEN it is subjective Yes, in this case the property is VALUE OF HUMAN BEINGs. In essence, you are saying humans have no value until you assign it. That is subjectivism. However, I assign MY OWN VALUE under these rules. How can I be wrong then, no matter what type of value I assign to human beings? I can't. From my subjective perspective (speaking form your point of view), all humans beings are valuable because their worth is assigned by God. This is my subjective view, therefore it cannot be wrong. Your argument is self-refuting. YOu are also using the fallacy of equivocation again on the meaning of the word subjective. For our purposes, Subjective means reality is confined to the observer, and that is precisely what you meant when you said that human value is according to each person as he assigns it. You are now attempting to use subjective in another sense and I will not let you. You are trapped like a drowning rat.
Value and worth are subjective properties as they are imparted to the object by the observer. For example, I value my dogs highly, however, the drivers on my street value my dogs very little as they've managed to kill several who've escaped my yard. Obviously, there is no objective "dog value" involved here. I have imparted more value to my dogs than the drivers have.
Yes and Pol Pot, the observer, imparted no value to humans and slaughtered them as he would your dogs. But he can't be wrong in your despressing little world. If you call him morally wrong, you are imparting a universal value on human life, and would contradict yourself. You can only say that he acted subjectively according to the worth he assigned human beings. I find it very telling that many atheists are also marxists and communists - they fit like a glove! The practical implications of your philosophy can be found in the killing fields of Cambodia.
Yes, in this case the property is VALUE OF HUMAN BEINGs. In essence, you are saying humans have no value until you assign it. How does one measure the value of a human being? Are orientals wrong because they place a lower value on human life than you? How about Moslems? Do you value human life so much that you would never relieve someone of it? Or do you qualify your valuation? Do you make a distinction between "innocent" and "not innocent" in your valuation?
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Yes and Pol Pot, the observer, imparted no value to humans and slaughtered them as he would your dogs. But he can't be wrong in your despressing little world. If you call him morally wrong, you are imparting a universal value on human life, and would contradict yourself. You can only say that he acted subjectively according to the worth he assigned human beings. I find it very telling that many atheists are also marxists and communists - they fit like a glove! The practical implications of your philosophy can be found in the killing fields of Cambodia
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sentis(vape retroll maybe - - - clone // twin?) . . .
To: f.Christian
Sorry this took awhile to respond too christmas functions drew my attention. What do I base my life on? What am I required to base it on? My life doesn't need a base outside of myself to be fullfilled. Even if i didn't base my life on rational thought I would still not need a basis to be complete. You seem to need the support of a mythology to help you overcome life's problems I do not. Your life may not be complete without a savior to fill you with hope. I need no false hope I am complete unto myself. Even if every man woman and child on this earth believed in Christ I would have no need. I do not need the consensus of the community.
I search for rational truth because that is where reality resides. Truth is not subjective, truth is not objective, and Truth is not subject to the varied Mythologies of this Planet many of these mythologies being much older than the one you embrace. Truth is absolute. That is why in the search for an absolute truth you must often throw off the weak beliefs of degenrate religion or even the hard won beliefs gained from personal insight. Truth cares for none of that.
God is not truth God is a crutch for those to weak to cut away the dead limbs, shoot the sick dog, or take that first unaided step into the light of reason.
47 posted on 12/22/2002 3:46 PM PST by Sentis
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