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To: Nebullis
Thank you so much for your post!

Your's is a great example of external conditions provoking what would be called a random mutation.

Another might be the example of the two genes in that antarctic fish (April 15, 1997 - Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci.) where one codes for trypsinogen and the other codes antifreeze glycoprotein. It was inferred that the divergence would date back some 10 million years to comport with environmental pressures. Critics argue both genes (or the ability to mutate) were already there, that there was not enough time to go through the necessary steps without extinction.

I assert that whereas random mutations no doubt do occur, that the ability to mutate is encoded in the genes - that mutations are more often opportunistic than random as the organism tries to fight off invading viruses, protect itself from the environment or take advantage of environmental opportunity. I came to this conclusion based upon these sources:

Yockey comments

The Physics of Symbols: Bridging the Epistemic Cut

Syntactic Autonomy: Or Why There is no Autonomy Without Symbols and how Self-Organizing Systems Systems Might Evolve Them

Complexity International – Brief Comments on Junk DNA (pdf)

Language Like Features in Junk DNA

I suggest that evolutionists ought to be more malleable on the randomness pillar, i.e. that natural selection is seeded by random mutations. It appears this work in information theory is going to show that mutations were more often opportunistic. A mutation cannot be random under the Kolmogorov-Chaitin definition if the genetic algorithm caused it.

Natural selection applies in either scenario, so why would anyone want to 'throw the baby out with the bathwater?'

2,890 posted on 01/05/2003 10:23:19 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I assert that whereas random mutations no doubt do occur, that the ability to mutate is encoded in the genes - that mutations are more often opportunistic than random as the organism tries to fight off invading viruses, protect itself from the environment or take advantage of environmental opportunity.

Evolutionists are as malleable on the random factor as the evidence allows. There is some evidence that on rare occasions mutations are an adaptive response to an environmental cue. This falls under the contingencies I spoke of above. There is no evidence that this is a major source of evolutionary change. Mutations are used in non-evolutionary processes, for instance, in immune system diversity. Non-adaptive mutations also account for diversity between organisms in a species. It's really a bit naive to propose that the changes in DNA that make up the diversity of life were programmed into the first replicative organisms.

2,892 posted on 01/05/2003 10:37:55 AM PST by Nebullis
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