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To: balrog666; yall
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

'Creator' or not, still makes perfect sense to me.

2,557 posted on 01/03/2003 1:18:57 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Where America came from...

Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

is going...

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern morph age

2,558 posted on 01/03/2003 1:23:17 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: tpaine
'Creator' or not, still makes perfect sense to me.

That's probably because you haven't thought about it. What does the endowing?

2,559 posted on 01/03/2003 1:23:37 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: tpaine
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

Tpaine,
By removing "by the creator", the sentence begs the question by whom or by what are all men endowed? As well as why is it self evident? If by evolution and chance then it is certainly not evident at all.

Regards,
Boiler Plate

2,587 posted on 01/03/2003 2:13:45 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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