[MattAMiller]

OK so if speciation happens in a lab then you can't really count that. And if it occurs in nature then we can't really count that either since it might just be some species we never found before.

OK fine. But why fulminate over the lack of proof for something that you don't think can be proved?

[gore3000]

OK so if speciation happens in a lab then you can't really count that.

Speciation is not evolution - period, paragraph, end of story. Evolution requires new genes, new functions, new abilities, increased complexity. Splitting a species into two only separates the original gene pool of the species, it does not create new genes. In addition, at least one of the two species, if not both will be less viable than the 'wild type' which had the complete gene pool. This is the result of all breeding experiments where a new 'breed' is developed.