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Jesus Christ, man, where did you come from? What state do you live in? What church do you go to? I am developing a theory about creationists, and if you don't mind, I'm going to use you as an example. I will show, in the simplest of non scientific terms, the "evolution," so to speak, of creationists. (Before you say I didn't answer your questions, I urge you to read any of the crevo posts, any biology book, any website, etc for your 9th grade level questions).

Early Creationists, Homo Stupidis Creationoids: Like Webber, they continue to use nonsensical childish "arguments" to "prove" the literal version of biblical creation. In spite of the fact that all the leading Creation writers, websites, and defenders have implored their flock to stop using such "arguments," St. Creationoids continue to do so, only serving to make their ideas look as ridiculous as they are. Scientists consider this species a lost cause. Example arguments: (See Webber posts, or research poor Medved's old drivel) "If man came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" "Darwin recanted his theories on his deathbed," "2nd Law of thermo," "The eye is so dern complicated, there's no way it evolved, etc."

Old Earth Creationists, Homo Halfwaythericus Creationoid: A curious lot, but to be admired for their faith. They accept the fact of an old earth, and may even accept that Noah didn't really collect all those animals, but they still believe the Christian God directed everything and evolution is a myth. God really loves beetles!

Intelligent Designers, Homo Duplicitous Creationoid: The worst of the lot, like Gore3000 and his hero Behe. They purposely lie and twist real science to appear more learned. They use numbers and math and out of context postulates to subvert their world view. Behe does it for money, Gore3000? I have no idea. But he still won't answer the question of how old the earth is, because if he accepts that it is over 4 billion years old, then all his ID theory becomes moot, but if he believes it is 6-10K yrs old, then he is exposed as an even bigger joke.

There are many more sub species within the Creationoid branch. Of course, much to the chagrin of Christians in America, there are innumerable other creationists with their own creation myths from different cultures (believe it or not). There are those who believe in an old earth, god created everything, but let it go which may or may not be evolution. On and on and on.

The fact remains: Evolution has been occurring for eons, it is continuing to happen, and it will continue to do so until our sun goes Red Giant. Scientists are still working on the mechanisms of how it happens, thats what scientists do. So please, Creationoids, crawl back in your holes and try to figure out if you are going to argue about honeybees, eyes, flagellum, or whatever the flavor of the month is. When you stop asking these repetitive juvenile questions and come up with one shred of proof for a young earth, or ID, or Adam and Eve, get back to me. Otherwise, go away.

... because if he accepts that it is over 4 billion years old, then all his ID theory becomes moot ...

He also suspects that old-timers like me can search on our hard drives and find saved there old threads with posts by him which attack anything he could ever cite as a reason why he thinks the earth is old. I'm pretty sure that at one time or another gore has attacked radiometric dating, the geologic column, paleontology, and modern secular cosmology.

That's always struck me as odd, since he has also claimed (while declining to defend a Young-Earth) that he accepts an "old" Earth. Nevertheless, I could never get out of him why he does. I think it's a great question, since it's far from obvious why someone who attacks the things he does is not a YEC.