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To: gore3000
Evolution is not science. Science is about observations and no one has ever seen a species transform itself into another more complex species.

Look here

However, every day we see in humans, cows, pigs, chickens and everywhere else we look organisms faithfully reproduce themselves with progeny like themselves.

Exactly like themselves? Really?

163 posted on 12/12/2002 12:38:04 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: MattAMiller
Look here...evolution is a freak of science---monster!
165 posted on 12/12/2002 12:43:23 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: MattAMiller
Look here

You read it and post the strongest proof of evolution on this thread if you like and we will discuss it. However, let me tell you that speciation is not evolution. Only when you have a new more complex species arising from a less complex one do you have evolution. This is necessary because to get from a single celled bacteria to man you need increased complexity.

168 posted on 12/12/2002 5:57:42 AM PST by gore3000
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To: MattAMiller
You say there are instances of Speciation? I say not. To quote G3K: "Science is about observations and no one has ever seen a species transform itself into another more complex species."

From the TrueOrigins.org website, a rebuttal to the TalkOrigins article: Here

For those who don't wish to go there, here's the rebuttal:

As for the “Observed Instances of Speciation” FAQ (the reading of which is encouraged by this writer), after one goes to the trouble of digesting all the preliminary verbiage, all the “speciation” examples given fall into one of two categories:

“new” species that are “new” to man, but whose “newness” remains equivocal in light of observed genetic “variation” vs. genetic “change” (as discussed above), and/or because a species of unknown age is being observed by man for the first time.

“new” species whose appearance was deliberately and artificially brought about by the efforts of intelligent human manipulation, and whose status as new “species” remain unequivocally consequential to laboratory experiments rather than natural processes.

In neither of the above examples cited by Isaak was the natural (i.e., unaided) generation of a new species accomplished or observed, in which an unequivocally “new” trait was obtained (i.e., new genetic information created) and carried forward within a population of organisms. In other words, these are not examples of macro-evolutionary speciation—they are examples of human discovery and/or genetic manipulation and/or natural genetic recombination. They serve to confirm the observable nature of genetic variation, while saying absolutely nothing in support of Darwinian “macro-evolution,” which postulates not just variations within a type of organism but the emergence of entirely new organisms.

Definitions of “species” and (therefore) “speciation” remain many and varied, and by most modern definitions, certain changes within organism populations do indeed qualify as “speciation events”—yet even after many decades of study, there remains no solid evidence that an increase in both quality and quantity of genetic information (as required for a macro-evolutionary speciation event) has happened or could happen.

Hope this helps to clear-up your confusion.

171 posted on 12/12/2002 7:37:48 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
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