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To: Aric2000
And by the way, the real difference between you and me is this. When it is proven that your creation myth is truly that, a myth, your world will come apart around you, whereas with me, if the theory of evolution is replaced with something that explains the facts better, then I will slide right into it.

It's incredible that you have it backwards and can't see it.

I study Molecular Biology, Particle Physics and other higher-echelon fields of study in the physical sciences. It has only strengthened my faith. My faith, which is an implicit trust in our Creator, may seem a folly to you. However, I will live my lifetime in this faith. You, perhaps, may not. When we die, contrary to what you have mentioned above, I believe that I will go to Heaven to be with God. I will die happy. You, should you stay on this path, will live a seemingly happy and fulfilling life. When you die, you have no expectation to go to Heaven, because you do not believe in a Creator.

If you are right, that is wonderful! We both died happy! I chose to serve my Creator by loving others and doing my best to make the lives of those less fortunate than I am more meaningful -- and that makes me happy.

If *I* am right, what then happens to you? In my scenario, there is a ZERO percent chance of sorrow. In your scenario, there is a 50% chance of sorrow.

I have seen enough of creation to convince me that mankinds attempts to mimic the Creator are folly.

TO come to your other topic: You suggest above that "it will finally be proven" that Creation is a myth. That, my friend, is an IMPOSSIBILITY. It was, is, and always will be impossible to prove that there is no Creator. So, MY world will not "fall" down around me, as you say. You, and ONLY you, have the chance to be proven wrong in this life. When you ARE proven wrong, which is a CERTAINTY when you get to the molecular level, and truly UNDERSTAND what goes on inside a cell, your world will NOT fall down around you EITHER. It will most likely be the single-most euphoric condition you will ever experience. It is UPLIFTING.

I've been there, pal. I denied it JUST LIKE YOU. I thought I knew it all -- even ridiculing my family.

Please, do some serious research at the molecular level, and don't take my word for it or anyone elses -- let it be through your own effort. All of the FACTS are there today. This is not like relativity, where we test observations to see if they fit the theory. This is KNOWABLE facts that are 100% observable -- TODAY! The tide is turning, and it is ALL because of the study of the cell with today's technology.

I bid you well. Don't close your eyes on this. If you are SERIOUS, have the strength to do some serious research. You will be amazed at what you find.

152 posted on 12/11/2002 10:45:17 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
I study history, and by studying history I have found MANY fascinating things.

I also study astronomy, in Which I have discovered MANY fascinating things.

I also study Biology, in which I have discovered MANY amazing things.

I have also studied religion, in which I have discovered MANY, MANY, MANY amazing things.

I study, and what I find continues to show me that Science is indeed on the right track, that our main theories are sound and will be built upon greatly in the years to come.

As we have discovered to religions unmitigated gall, is that the Earth is NOT flat, the universe DOES NOT revolve aound the earth, we are indeed little bits of organic matter in a huge universe that is undoubtedly, to me anyway, packed with life. I do not believe in a god that you believe in, I believe in MUCH more then that, but you would have to have the experiences that my life has given me to even come close to understanding that.

You believe in something very small, whereas my beliefs span the universe itself.

Sad really, but I do not force my beliefs on others, so, please, feel free to take your chances, because I take none. I believe in what I believe, based on fact, science, and intuition based on those facts.

Enjoy your book, please, but I can't, I know FAR too much about it's history. That's the problem with an open mind, sometimes the faith is hurt, or even removed, as in my case.

faith in something written, such as the bible is VERY limiting, as I see with many, many, christians, especially creationist type christians, I refuse to be limited by a book, I wish to learn, not what some claim to be god's word, but by studying the universe around me.

Read stranger in a Strange Land, and you will get a glimpse of it, but just a glimpse.

Do you "Grock"?
154 posted on 12/11/2002 11:04:48 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Please, do some serious research at the molecular level, and don't take my word for it or anyone elses -- let it be through your own effort. All of the FACTS are there today. This is not like relativity, where we test observations to see if they fit the theory. This is KNOWABLE facts that are 100% observable -- TODAY! The tide is turning, and it is ALL because of the study of the cell with today's technology.
That reminds me: Kenneth Miller has written a wonderful critique of Behe's favorite icon of irreducible complexity, the flagellum. Briefly:
The great irony of the flagellum's increasing acceptance as an icon of anti-evolution is that fact that research had demolished its status as an example of irreducible complexity almost at the very moment it was first proclaimed. The purpose of this article is to explore the arguments by which the flagellum's notoriety has been achieved, and to review the research developments that have now undermined they very foundations of those arguments.

156 posted on 12/11/2002 11:20:51 PM PST by jennyp
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
If *I* am right, what then happens to you? In my scenario, there is a ZERO percent chance of sorrow. In your scenario, there is a 50% chance of sorrow.

Pascal's Wager is a tired old canard that proves nothing except that you are incapable of seeing past the false duality that you've set up. You neglect alternate possibilities wherein a "Creator" who does not care for followers of false gods but doesn't mind people who don't worship any gods at all (in which case you lose and he wins) or a god who punishes you both for your lack of belief (in which case you both lose).
193 posted on 12/12/2002 12:02:12 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
"You will be amazed at what you find."

The more mankind knows, the more mankind knows how much we know nothing, nothing at all because they are discovering how complex everything is, even the position and tilt of the Earth to the Sun, moon to the Earth, and billions of other facts. They will come to realize, IF they truly seek the truth, that it could not have happened by chance...That an all intelligent Being, whom we call God Almighty, created the Univerise and everything in it.

1,575 posted on 12/30/2002 7:47:08 PM PST by webber
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