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To: gore3000
Actually it is atheits that cannot disprove God by scientific means: abiogenesis has been proven scientifically impossible, the Universe has been shown to be intelligently designed

1. Fine. Good point. I cannot disprove God (nor do I normally feel any reason to). But neither can you disprove the Magic Potato Fairies that actually rule the Earth. They are invisible and they created man so man could grow more potatoes, which makes Potato Fairies very happy. I make a pilgramage twice a year to Idaho, where everyone must go if they want to become immortal. I wrote it all down in a book, so it must be true. Disprove it.

2. Abiogenesis has not been scientifically disproven. This is a lie. Much like nobody can disprove God and Potato Fairies, nobody has "disproven" abiogenesis. Show me where. Any law that you think you know about it was about the impossibility of maggots "appearing" on a piece of old meat. It had nothing to do with the initial generation of life.

3. The Universe has been shown to be intelligently designed? How can you say this stuff with a straight face?

1,272 posted on 12/29/2002 1:41:53 AM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: B. Rabbit
Abiogenesis has not been scientifically disproven. This is a lie. Much like nobody can disprove God and Potato Fairies, nobody has "disproven" abiogenesis. Show me where. Any law that you think you know about it was about the impossibility of maggots "appearing" on a piece of old meat. It had nothing to do with the initial generation of life.

Abiogenesis has certainly been scientifically disproven and the disproof has only mounted since the time of Pasteur. Read the following and let me see even a hypothesis for life arising from non-life which accounts for the scientifically known facts detailed below:

There is a tremendous amount of proof against abiogenesis. First of all is Pasteur's proof that life does not come from inert matter (and this was of course at one time the prediction of materialists). Then came the discovery of DNA and the chemical basis of organisms. This poses a totally insurmountable problem to abiogenesis. The smallest living cells has a DNA string of some one million base pairs long and some 600 genes, even cutting this number by a quarter as the smallest possible living cell would give us a string of some 250,000 base pairs of DNA. It is important to note here that DNA can be arranged in any of the four basic codes equally well, there is no chemical or other necessity to the sequence. The chances of such an arrangement arising are therefore 4^250,000. Now the number of atoms in the universe is said to be about 4^250. I would therefore call 4^250,000 an almost infinitely impossible chance (note that the supposition advanced that perhaps it was RNA that produced the first life has this same problem).

The problem though is even worse than that. Not only do you need two (2) strings of DNA perfectly matched to have life, but you also need a cell so that the DNA code can get the material to sustain that life. It is therefore a chicken and egg problem, you cannot have life without DNA (or RNA if one wants to be generous) but one also has to have the cell itself to provide the nutrients for the sustenance of the first life. Add to this problem that for the first life to have been the progenitor of all life on earth, it necessarily needs to have been pretty much the same as all life now on earth is, otherwise it could not have been the source of the life we know. Given all these considerations, yes, abiogenesis is impossible.

1,279 posted on 12/29/2002 6:49:50 AM PST by gore3000
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