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To: Sentis
gore 3000 wrote "How either of you do not know that the genome is 3 billion DNA base pairs long and claim that you are evolutionists because it is science and not see that 30,000,000 is 1% of 3 billion is unimaginable. You both have shown yourselves to be totally ignorant. "

I thought I would address this to the peanut gallery so no one would think gore3000 had a point. He is wrong of course the 1% difference in Chimps has nothing what so ever to do with the number of Base pair difference between Man and Chimps this is why he is making up numbers. Lets look at some Basic science.


There are 6 billion people on Earth gore3000 wrote "30,000,000 is 1% of 3 billion is unimaginable."
as there are 6 billion people that means each of these people unless they are twins or clones has a unique DNA signature. That means each of the 6 billion have a different set of base pairs. Now does this come up to 30 million differences not quite but close, from one random human to another there is be a difference of several million base pairs without these difference there could be no human diversity. Gore3000 would like you to forget that DNA can differentiate in anyway. DNA isn't a solid block that is the same in all creatures that are the same every creature except for twins or clones have unique DNA.


Now why are we different to Chimps the 1 % is in the Chromosomes. Chimps have 24 pairs of chromosomes and Humans have 23 this small difference is what makes us a separate species. Now while DNA makes up a chromosome the loss of a chromosomes does noit always indicate the death or lack of viability in a creature. In fact there are millions of humans living among us with chromosomal deficiencies or extra ones while they are often noticiably retarded these replication failures can be seen as evolution in action as they are disimilar enough from other Humans that technically they would form a separate species. Lets take for example Downs syndrome. In Down's Syndrome the child has an extra of the 21st chromosome under a microscope you may think that blood from a Down's patient was that of a chimp while it isn't the lesson I ant people to learn is that chromosomal abnormalities dont automatically cause death in the organism. Soem where down the line in Human evolution their was achromosomal accident where one of the chromosomal pairs united into one. When all pairs of Human and chimp chromosomes are lined up they match with humans having one some extar informationm in one chromosome that matches two separate ones in chimps.
Oh BTW if gore3000 is looking at this How old is The Earth?

1,156 posted on 12/28/2002 6:57:10 AM PST by Sentis
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To: Sentis
As I am not very well read on this subject, thanks for the clarification on this subject. You have a lot of knowledge...

Also, if I may:

gore3000, if you are reading this, How old is the Earth? I really just want to know what you think, and you won't answer Sentis.
1,159 posted on 12/28/2002 9:08:13 AM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: Sentis
Your post is a total lie and an attempt at confusing the issue. Here from National Geographic which is a very pro-evolution purlication:

Further experiments by the same team showed that 98.5 percent of DNA sequences are shared by humans and chimps. The same methods showed that two humans share 99.9 percent of their DNA. In contrast, the DNA of humans and mice is only around 60 percent similar.
From: Humans and Chimps Not As Closely Related as Thought?

There is no other numeric comparison possible. These 30,000,000 mutations HAD TO HAPPEN for the difference between humans and chimps to exist, regardless of the nonsense you wish to push. That you challenge the numbers shows that you yourself know that it is impossible.

BTW - here are some articles on exactly how the differences in DNA were estimated. They prove you a liar:

Britten compared the sequence of five chimp BACs covering 779 kilobases with the draft human genome sequence. Sequence substitutions account for about 1.4% divergence, but twice as much divergence (3.6%) is contributed by indels. The frequency of indels is less than the frequency of substitutions, but the gaps can be tens of nucleotides long and appear in both human and chimp sequences. Further analysis of the gaps in other genomes may provide useful insights into evolutionary relationships between humans and our closest relatives.
From: The Scientist - How different are we from Chimps

Roy Britten, a biologist at the California Institute of Technology, reported in the current issue of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that the large amount of sequencing that has been done in recent years on both the human and chimp genomes - and improvements in the techniques themselves - allow for the issue to be revisited. In the article, he described the method he used, which involved writing a special computer program to compare nearly 780,000 base pairs of the human genome with a similar number from the chimp genome.
From: OBGYN.net - Genome Compatibility

Britten based this on a computer program that compared 780,000 of the 3 billion base pairs in the human DNA helix with those of the chimp. He found more mismatches than earlier researchers had, and concluded that at least 3.9 percent of the DNA bases were different. From: CBS News- Chimps & Humans - Vive La Difference

BTW - with the 5% difference that has now been determined that makes it that 150 million mutations were needed to transform humans from chimps - making it five times more impossible than what you yourself considered a refutation of evolution.

1,172 posted on 12/28/2002 10:48:16 AM PST by gore3000
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