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To: whattajoke
Anyway, for what it's worth, you do understand what you're doing, right? I mean, you've been doing it so prolifically, I think you may have lost sight of your aim. In your lone quest to turn 150 years of evolutionary science upside down, all you constantly do is pick out a few anomalies and harp on them OVER and OVER.

If evolution is science, and a scientific theory is supposed to answer the questions posed by the scientific evidence, then evolution has to answer those questions. It cannot. In fact it never could. One of the things about evolution is that the theory is always behind the science. First it proposed melding of traits, that was disproved. Then it proposed a convoluted explanation of how mutations could be spread. This was made ludicrous by DNA since it required so many mutations, new genes, etc. for it to accomplish a simple change. So the evolutionists proposed duplication of whole genes. When it was found that genes needed a whole support system to make them even work, they ran out of answers.

There has never been a real how to evolution, just an 'it happens'. The mutations cannot be found, the species transforming into other species cannot be found. The only thing that can be found is a lot of tall stories. That's why evolutionists cannot answer scientific questions and need to insult those who ask them - because evolution is a joke.

By continuously zooming in on these things which you consider problems with evolution, can we assume you accept all the other tenets of the theory?

I do not accept any of it. What I show is that evolution is full of contradictions. To explain away one problem they need to contradict something else they have said. Take the problem of homology for example if features are similar, it is evolution, however, if similar features exist on species that could not have an ancestor/descendant relationship, then that is evolution too. If one can see gradual changes, then it is evolution, if there are no gradual changes then it is evolution also. The inconsistencies are all over.

And so it goes with Gore3K... He's almost outdone himself with this one: "According to evolution, changes in species are due to their fitting themselves to environmental conditions WHICH ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. Thus the species, if evolutionary theory be true, would indeed be harmed by this overspecialization"

And the above is one of the many contradcitions I speak of. You cannot refute it because it is true so you try to laugh it off but contradictions in a theory render it null and void and are nothing to laugh at (except for opponents of it).

1,071 posted on 12/26/2002 8:13:41 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
gore300 wrote maybe I should say strawman wrote "One of the things about evolution is that the theory is always behind the science."

All hypothesis proceeds the science that tries to prove it basic science. Lets quit the word games.

gore3000wrote"First it proposed melding of traits, that was disproved. Then it proposed a convoluted explanation of how mutations could be spread. This was made ludicrous by DNA since it required so many mutations, new genes, etc. for it to accomplish a simple change. So the evolutionists proposed duplication of whole genes. When it was found that genes needed a whole support system to make them even work, they ran out of answers."

Everything you say here is a Lie. I mean a blatant Lie. Each of these hypothesis in turn supported what came before and added to the how and why of evolution. What you have just stated is just a outright Lie. Where is your proof for these Lies other than your word on the subject?
Oh I forgot you don't answer questions accept with out and out Lies.

gore3000 wrote"There has never been a real how to evolution, just an 'it happens'. The mutations cannot be found, the species transforming into other species cannot be found. "

We have given examples of just this sort of thing throughout the thread. In fact I was asked to visit a site where the creationists admit that single celled creatures do evolve and that they have quit trying to use that as a proof in fact here is the link.
In fact that link by those who are ON YOUR SIDE prove you to be a Liar as we know you have read these threads fully.

Gore3000 wrote "The inconsistencies"

I have addressed inconsistances in another post as another False witness like yourself tried that route. I will restate that arguments about the how and why evolution occurred isn't a proof that it didnt occur in fact it is a natural scientific process of discovery, reject, discovery that occurs in all branches of science. That you bring it up proves to me your ignorance of the scientific process.

gore3000 wrote "According to evolution, changes in species are due to their fitting themselves to environmental conditions WHICH ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. Thus the species, if evolutionary theory be true, would indeed be harmed by this overspecialization"

And the above is one of the many contradcitions I speak of. You cannot refute it because it is true so you try to laugh it off but contradictions in a theory render it null and void and are nothing to laugh at (except for opponents of it). "


You wrote this contradiction not a scientist. You are trying to say because you wrote a contradiction that has the word evolution in it that that proves evolution isn't true.

Lets look at this closer you wrote (yes you wrote this not a scientist) "According to evolution, changes in species are due to their fitting themselves to environmental conditions WHICH ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING."

You stated this not a scientist. Infact the enviroment is not constantly changing. It changes sometimes gradually and sometimes quickly but it doesnt change constantly.

You wrote "Thus the species, if evolutionary theory be true, would indeed be harmed by this overspecialization"


Well in a world the constantly changed it might but as we know fromactually living in the world there are no constant changes. You try to refute someone's point by pointing to something you yourself wrote and then giving it as a reason that they are wrong. This is outrageous it isn't debate it's deception.


This is proof of your deception for everyone to see. Doesn't your God State that it is an absolute sin to give False witness. Have you sinned against your god in lying to the people who read this thread. Can you admit your sin? I doubt it and that makes you less of a witness for your Christ. Who would wish to be like you if thats what it means to be a Christian?



1,082 posted on 12/26/2002 9:37:22 PM PST by Sentis
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To: gore3000
gore300 wrote maybe I should say strawman wrote "One of the things about evolution is that the theory is always behind the science."

All hypothesis proceeds the science that tries to prove it basic science. Lets quit the word games.

gore3000wrote"First it proposed melding of traits, that was disproved. Then it proposed a convoluted explanation of how mutations could be spread. This was made ludicrous by DNA since it required so many mutations, new genes, etc. for it to accomplish a simple change. So the evolutionists proposed duplication of whole genes. When it was found that genes needed a whole support system to make them even work, they ran out of answers."

Everything you say here is a Lie. I mean a blatant Lie. Each of these hypothesis in turn supported what came before and added to the how and why of evolution. What you have just stated is just a outright Lie. Where is your proof for these Lies other than your word on the subject?
Oh I forgot you don't answer questions accept with out and out Lies.

gore3000 wrote"There has never been a real how to evolution, just an 'it happens'. The mutations cannot be found, the species transforming into other species cannot be found. "

We have given examples of just this sort of thing throughout the thread. In fact I was asked to visit a site where the creationists admit that single celled creatures do evolve and that they have quit trying to use that as a proof in fact here is the link.
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v6i10f.htm
In fact that link by those who are ON YOUR SIDE prove you to be a Liar as we know you have read these threads fully.

Gore3000 wrote "The inconsistencies"

I have addressed inconsistances in another post as another False witness like yourself tried that route. I will restate that arguments about the how and why evolution occurred isn't a proof that it didnt occur in fact it is a natural scientific process of discovery, reject, discovery that occurs in all branches of science. That you bring it up proves to me your ignorance of the scientific process.

gore3000 wrote "According to evolution, changes in species are due to their fitting themselves to environmental conditions WHICH ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. Thus the species, if evolutionary theory be true, would indeed be harmed by this overspecialization"

And the above is one of the many contradcitions I speak of. You cannot refute it because it is true so you try to laugh it off but contradictions in a theory render it null and void and are nothing to laugh at (except for opponents of it). "


You wrote this contradiction not a scientist. You are trying to say because you wrote a contradiction that has the word evolution in it that that proves evolution isn't true.

Lets look at this closer you wrote (yes you wrote this not a scientist) "According to evolution, changes in species are due to their fitting themselves to environmental conditions WHICH ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING."

You stated this not a scientist. Infact the enviroment is not constantly changing. It changes sometimes gradually and sometimes quickly but it doesnt change constantly.

You wrote "Thus the species, if evolutionary theory be true, would indeed be harmed by this overspecialization"


Well in a world the constantly changed it might but as we know fromactually living in the world there are no constant changes. You try to refute someone's point by pointing to something you yourself wrote and then giving it as a reason that they are wrong. This is outrageous it isn't debate it's deception.


This is proof of your deception for everyone to see. Doesn't your God State that it is an absolute sin to give False witness. Have you sinned against your god in lying to the people who read this thread. Can you admit your sin? I doubt it and that makes you less of a witness for your Christ. Who would wish to be like you if thats what it means to be a Christian?



1,083 posted on 12/26/2002 9:39:14 PM PST by Sentis
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