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To: gore3000
However, the problem with natural selection as the source of change is that selection does not create anything it only destroys.

More fatuous sloganeering science bluffing from Mr. Blue.

Selection from a uniform distribution in a static environment might degrade over time from random mutational hits. However, that is not the situation in the natural world.

Selection from a distribution with a central tendency (which is what you get when you apply a selection criteria to set of uniformly distributed attributes) most certainly does build something: a population optimally selected to survive in its given environment--slowly changing the environment than acts like a surgeon's knife to shape the population.

1,000 posted on 12/23/2002 8:51:31 PM PST by donh
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To: donh
However, the problem with natural selection as the source of change is that selection does not create anything it only destroys.-me-

More fatuous sloganeering science bluffing from Mr. Blue.

What I say is true. Evolution needs to create new genes, new functions, new abilities. You cannot create anything by destroying it. This is why evolution is totally false and why its results when adopted philosophically end up in mass murder. It is addition by subtraction. It is 'pruning the races' by murder. However unlike pruning, natural selection destroys genetic information. It makes species less adaptable to environmental changes and hence less viable in the long run. That is why pure bred animals are much more fragile, less virile and live shorter lives than 'wild' breeds. Selection is a killer and you do not create anything by killing.

a population optimally selected to survive in its given environment--slowly changing the environment than acts like a surgeon's knife to shape the population.

Then kindly explain to me how you get from a bacteria with some 1 million DNA base pairs and some 600 genes to a human with some 3 billion DNA base pairs and some 30,000 genes by destroying genetic information. Anyway you slice it 4-2 does not equal 6.

1,003 posted on 12/23/2002 9:08:24 PM PST by gore3000
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To: donh
However, the problem with natural selection as the source of change is that selection does not create anything it only destroys.

More fatuous sloganeering science bluffing from Mr. Blue.

It's not the least bit fatuous. Trying to create new life forms with natural selection is like trying to construct a skyscraper with a wrecking ball and a truckload of dynamite. Even talking about it is ridiculous.

Basically, evolutionists are talking about all of our biosphere having been created via an endless series of mutations, so that the question becomes, what sequence of mutations gets you from bacteria to fish, ducks, and humans.

The short answer is that bacteria remain bacteria no matter what you do. The whole thing is a bunch of garbage.

1,010 posted on 12/24/2002 2:50:43 AM PST by titanmike
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