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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^ | 12/11/02 | WILL SENTELL

Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J

By WILL SENTELL

wsentell@theadvocate.com

Capitol news bureau

High school biology textbooks would include a disclaimer that evolution is only a theory under a change approved Tuesday by a committee of the state's top school board.

If the disclaimer wins final approval, it would apparently make Louisiana just the second state in the nation with such a provision. The other is Alabama, which is the model for the disclaimer backers want in Louisiana.

Alabama approved its policy six or seven years ago after extensive controversy that included questions over the religious overtones of the issue.

The change approved Tuesday requires Louisiana education officials to check on details for getting publishers to add the disclaimer to biology textbooks.

It won approval in the board's Student and School Standards/ Instruction Committee after a sometimes contentious session.

"I don't believe I evolved from some primate," said Jim Stafford, a board member from Monroe. Stafford said evolution should be offered as a theory, not fact.

Whether the proposal will win approval by the full state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education on Thursday is unclear.

Paul Pastorek of New Orleans, president of the board, said he will oppose the addition.

"I am not prepared to go back to the Dark Ages," Pastorek said.

"I don't think state boards should dictate editorial content of school textbooks," he said. "We shouldn't be involved with that."

Donna Contois of Metairie, chairwoman of the committee that approved the change, said afterward she could not say whether it will win approval by the full board.

The disclaimer under consideration says the theory of evolution "still leaves many unanswered questions about the origin of life.

"Study hard and keep an open mind," it says. "Someday you may contribute to the theories of how living things appeared on earth."

Backers say the addition would be inserted in the front of biology textbooks used by students in grades 9-12, possibly next fall.

The issue surfaced when a committee of the board prepared to approve dozens of textbooks used by both public and nonpublic schools. The list was recommended by a separate panel that reviews textbooks every seven years.

A handful of citizens, one armed with a copy of Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species," complained that biology textbooks used now are one-sided in promoting evolution uncritically and are riddled with factual errors.

"If we give them all the facts to make up their mind, we have educated them," Darrell White of Baton Rouge said of students. "Otherwise we have indoctrinated them."

Darwin wrote that individuals with certain characteristics enjoy an edge over their peers and life forms developed gradually millions of years ago.

Backers bristled at suggestions that they favor the teaching of creationism, which says that life began about 6,000 years ago in a process described in the Bible's Book of Genesis.

White said he is the father of seven children, including a 10th-grader at a public high school in Baton Rouge.

He said he reviewed 21 science textbooks for use by middle and high school students. White called Darwin's book "racist and sexist" and said students are entitled to know more about controversy that swirls around the theory.

"If nothing else, put a disclaimer in the front of the textbooks," White said.

John Oller Jr., a professor at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, also criticized the accuracy of science textbooks under review. Oller said he was appearing on behalf of the Louisiana Family Forum, a Christian lobbying group.

Oller said the state should force publishers to offer alternatives, correct mistakes in textbooks and fill in gaps in science teachings. "We are talking about major falsehoods that should be addressed," he said.

Linda Johnson of Plaquemine, a member of the board, said she supports the change. Johnson said the new message of evolution "will encourage students to go after the facts."


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To: whattajoke
Geeze, I must have been affected by that previous (long since vanished) math-whiz poster (10 followed by 39,999 0's or whatever it was.)

I said I agreed to something 100% but then qualified the statement by effectively saying I don't agree 100%, more like 70%. I apologize.

But that still doesnt help me out with the earth's age, Gore?
2,221 posted on 01/02/2003 10:51:49 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
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2,222 posted on 01/02/2003 10:52:32 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: whattajoke
They must have changed meds on him... or I'm being a bit too optimistic.

Must be the medication because some brain damage is beyond repair especially if it lasted that long. So I don't think there is any hope for this poor fellow, although one never knows...
Maybe he was a reasonable guy before this incident (or whatever happened to him).

2,223 posted on 01/02/2003 10:54:59 AM PST by BMCDA
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To: f.Christian
2222

Interesting to note that you always post the post number when it repeats more than twice (ie. 1111, or 1999). Stuttering, repetition, and OCD is common among schizophrenics. You are further confirming everyone's suspicions about you. Thanks.
2,224 posted on 01/02/2003 10:55:45 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: BMCDA
dr strangelove/science!
2,225 posted on 01/02/2003 10:56:26 AM PST by f.Christian
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To: whattajoke
Well, if each word is equally weighted it's more like 83.3%. I didn't do a letter-weighted percentage.
2,226 posted on 01/02/2003 10:56:38 AM PST by Condorman
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To: titanmike; Physicist; PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; ThinkPlease; RadioAstronomer; Scully; ...
titanmike signed up 2002-12-15.
This account has been banned.

So ends another incarnation of Ted Holden, aka the banned former Freeper "medved"

Fear not; like a bad penny, he'll be back again, in yet another incarnation (if he hasn't already done so!)

2,227 posted on 01/02/2003 11:12:14 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
haha... I give us credit for figuring it out pretty early on in this thread. Must drive him nuts. Good.
2,228 posted on 01/02/2003 11:17:18 AM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
haha... I give us credit for figuring it out pretty early on in this thread. Must drive him nuts. Good.

Oddly enough, I believe he WANTED us to know.

If you examine the posting history of "titanmike" you'll see that he copiously sprinkled clues to his identity. He wanted us to know it's him.

Now, you might wonder what would cause a person, whose very presence here as a previously banned FReeper is in violation of the rules of the forum, to intentionally leave a trail of bread-crumbs that give away his identity. I can only guess as to what sort of psychopathology leads to that behavior.... my guess is that it has to do with "attention seeking behavior"...

2,229 posted on 01/02/2003 11:32:20 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
I could miss the guy if he'd stay gone long enough.
2,231 posted on 01/02/2003 11:35:54 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: nanrod
I doubt it. Nonetheless, if someone were so minded, setting up new FR accounts can be done in less than a minute on the clock, [snip]

Or, they might set up a whole slew of new screen names in the week following YOUR original bannishment, and hold them as "sleeper" accounts.

Right, Ted?

2,232 posted on 01/02/2003 11:41:11 AM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Hmm.. maybe it wasn't Ted but his buddy Ed1.
I mean who can tell all these Catastrophism wackos apart?

1Ed Conrad

2,233 posted on 01/02/2003 11:47:23 AM PST by BMCDA
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To: PatrickHenry
That link wasn't posted to bash the bible [attention, moderator!] but in order to show that communism has an ancient history which is totally unrelated to Darwin.

The matter is resolved very easily by referencing the book of Acts:

All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. (Acts 2:44-45)

2,234 posted on 01/02/2003 11:50:30 AM PST by Aracelis
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To: Condorman
1. To each according to his needs.
2. Love thy neighbor/I am my brother's keeper.
3. The fittest survive.
One of these things is not like the other.

Where does this one fit in? :-)

And hence it is, that to feel much for others and little for ourselves, that to restrain our selfish, and to indulge our benevolent affections, constitutes the perfection of human nature; and can alone produce among mankind that harmony of sentiments and passions in which consists their whole grace and propriety. As to love our neighbour as we love ourselves is the great law of Christianity, so it is the great precept of nature to love ourselves only as we love our neighbour, or what comes to the same thing, as our neighbour is capable of loving us.

2,236 posted on 01/02/2003 11:52:13 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Are you driving at the point that, in order to open the classroom to creationist considerations we must necessarily open the classroom to every single religious view on the matter?

Starting each class of every subject in every school with every adult and child repeating the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence would resolve this issue.

2,237 posted on 01/02/2003 11:56:10 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: longshadow
Right, Ted?

Operation SaturnWatch:
Any account set up in mid-September of 2002 (or since then) is suspect. Now that the name "Titan" is gone, here are the names of some of Saturn's other moons to watch for in Ted's reincarnations: Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan (oops, not available), Hyperion, Iapetus, Pan, Atlas, Prometheus, Pandora, Epimetheus, Janus, Calypso, Telesto, Helene, Phoebe. There are others, but most don't have names yet. And don't forget Ann Flounder.

2,238 posted on 01/02/2003 11:59:58 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
was it you (or Physicist?) who posted the picture of Ted at the Grand Canyon? Could someone repost... I believe I'm feeling some serious schadenfreude
2,239 posted on 01/02/2003 12:04:19 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Wasn't me.
2,240 posted on 01/02/2003 12:07:21 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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