“Nelson Mandela’s Legacy” [Africa Ping]

On the Right Side ^ | George V. Caylor

[SteveTuck]

You are also a racist, because the first thing, you thought of, when seeing that, on a FREEPER's profile poage, was that he is black.

Find me a single official source that uses African American to designate a white person.

And if that is your proof that I am a racist, then you have an extremely weak case...

[SteveTuck]

You list Acts, without discussing them.

To discuss the legal foundation for apartheid would take hours. I listed a small number of the legislative acts to illustrate the immorality of apartheid.

[nopardons]

Finally fessing up ? You have NEVER lived in South Africa and have NEVER even been there.

Do you, or do you NOT, know any South Africans , personally?

You only " know ", what you imagine life was like during Apartheid. You haven't an iota of an idea, what life is like , there, now. Come on...admit it.

You are judging another nation and her people, by what you assume to be true; not to mention, through your own lifestyle. That doesn't work, is irrational, and Liberal to boot.

[nopardons]

Really ? It " sounds " racist to YOU, because you don't know the entire story. The Bantu Education Bill was intended to be a knockout blow against the Afrikaners' great enemy, the missionaries. It was more against the English missionaries , than a race. Ninety percent of the missionary schools ( which preached against the Boers, BTW), were state funded. This Bill gave them the choice of either handing over the schools, to the government to run, or face financial ruin.

So much for your source work and supposed " understanding " of South African history and its " racist " policies. You don't know much of anything at all, dear. Taking things out of historical context, makes the quotes meaningless; except as to serve your own agenda.

[nopardons]

Care to back off , now, dear; before I shame you further ?

[nopardons]

The term " African-American " is a newly minted, madeup, silly phrase, which connotes almost nothing. Jesse Jackson instituted it. " Black " used to be thought of, by those of the Negroid race, as a slur. They've gone from calling themselves Negros,to people of color, to blacks, to African-American, to " NIGGER " , and back to any of the aforementioned. An Irish-American can be a black. An African-American can be white. An Hispanic ( another silly, madeup catagory, which doesn't really mean a damned thing !) can pertain to someone of all three races.

You immediately assumed that anyone calling themselves an African-American, is black. You showed your true colors; not to mention your Liberal bias. LOL

[nopardons]

You listed PRE Apartheid Acts & Bills. Apartheid was governmentally listed, as such, in 1940 ! Yet, you listed much earlier Acts & Bills.

Let's go back, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back into South African history and discuss the immorality of black slavery; shall we ? That would make far more sense, than the banalities, that you post and call relivant. :-)

[Classicaliberalconservative]

I have been reading this forum with interest. I despise the ANC and the SA Communist PArty but apartheid was JUST AS BAD. Maybe not material wise but when an individual is limited in how far he can go with his own talents that makes them frustrated and that makes them resort to political violence. That is the sad legacy of apartheid. If blacks and colored were allowed to go to school and university how far were they allowed to rise afterwards. Were the blacks and coloreds allowed high cabinet level positions in the government or national party? And why could they not live where ever they want? And tell me about this "honorary white" status given to wealthy foreign businessman like the Japanese and some of the Chinese.

[Classicaliberalconservative]

Forget it man, these people are obviosuly racists who do not think highly of people of color. Apartheid was and is wrong. And blacks are not inferior genetically to other humans. The Washington Post author Richburg wrote about the sad state of Africa but I am sure he did not defend segregation. And I wonder if goldenboy thinks blacks should be allowed to be journalists, national leaders, doctors or professionals. I am disgusted.

[nopardons]

Hmmmmmmmmmm ... would you also like to condemn every other nation, that has ever existed, on the face of the earth, because, at one time or another, they too wouldn't allow certain perople to live in certain areas; or do you think that that is something " new " ?

There was racial, as well as religious and material segragation, in Ancient Greece, ancient Rome, Medieval Europe, across the African continent, South America, and yes, even now, right here in the USA !

FYI ... South Africa today, is far, far FAR worse, for ALL peoples, than it was under Apartheid. Speaking purely about blacks and coloureds ( SA termination and if you don't understand it ; don't like it, remember some of our own rotten government enforced terms for people ! ), they have less freedom, worse standards of living, much, much MUCH worse safety conditions, and their money is worth a great deal less, than it was during Apartheid. Education and health facilities have declined to such an extent, that BLACKS ARE EMMIGRATING ; something they did NOT do much of ( and yes, they COULD afford to do so ) under Apartheid.

How far could blacks and coloureds go, under Apartheid and even before ? Well, they could and did become lawyers, newspaper editors, teachers, performers, airline pilots, military officers,and computor experts. They could and DID become wealthy. Now ? Oh, some get titles, many are forced into jobs, that they aren't qualified to do, don't actually have to DO the work ( they make the whites do the work for themselves, as well as for the quota guys )and still get paid ; however, these are ONLY the blacks who are members of the ANC and are at their bidding. It's very much like it was under the old Soviet Politburough in Russia. Better now ? HELL NO ! Moral equilivance to how it was under Apartheid ? YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING OR TOTALLY UNINFORMED !

Who resorted to " political violence " ? W-H-O ? Those aligned with the Xhosa tribe ( this IS also tribal warfare ! )Commies. You know what happened to a great many whites, who helped the ANC ? They were murdered, murdered by ANC thugs; that's what's happened to those who thought like you and Steve !

[Classicaliberalconservative]

What about the government and the state companies, how many could reach the apex in those institutions? And I know what the term colored means under Apartheid. It meant people like me, I am of Chinese ancestry (not from rich businessmen btw) and yes the American government did the same thing, does not make it any more right. Blacks may have been able to make it to the middle class and upper middle class sure, but how many of them had influence over national policy and the direction of the country? How far could someone like me go under the aparthied system? When 20% of the population makes the decisions for the other 80% when the 80% have no say at all, where the 20% did not have to take into account the interests of the 80%, that is not democratic, IT IS NOT JUST.

[nopardons]

Were YOU born in South Africa ? Have YOU lived there all of your life ? Do YOU live there now ? If NO is the answer to all of the preceeding questions, then it is none of your business; to be blunt about it. South Africa was and is a soverign nation. Do YOU want the UN and a bunch of Commies and Western Liberals ordering the USA what to do ?

If, as I suspect, you are an American, born & bred, then you are judging another country, by American values and through American culture tinted glasses. THAT'S A SILLY THING TO DO, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT !

Not only the American governemnet, but local governments and groups of local people, all over this country, have, from the first colonies ( and by Indians, PRIOR to European colonization ; not to mention what the Indians did to the indigenous CACAZOIDS, they found here, when they emmigrated here ! )through present times, excluded certain peoples from living with them, joining certain clubs, going to certain schools, even to what kind of jobs they can hold and how much they can be paid for them. Being all high & mighty, about what others do, specifically whites, during Apartheid, leaves a HUGE amount of history by the wayside.

We have, here, in large cities, what Liberal bleeding hearts like to call " the homeless." Frankly, the vast majority of these people, used to be called : " BUMS ", at best, and I shan't go into all of the other names they've been called. They are drunks, dope addicts , and / or both. Many are also mentally insane. The hard core ( and that's most of them ! ) don't want to change. The Liberals bleed profusely, about them and their " rights " ; to the detriment of everyone...including the very people they claim to care so much about. This is exactly what YOU and Steve are doing here, by slamming those mean, eveil white colonialists, without knowing South Africa's history .

For the most part, Afrikaners have lived peaceably with most blacks and coloureds. The English didn't and haven't. The English, during the Boer Wars, invented concentration camps, into which they threw women, children, and the aged of both sexes. Hitler marvelled at them, was impressed by them, and then used them, for his own purposes. Afrikaners bought or made treaties with the blacks who owned / lived on land they decided to live on. The English didn't do either. Blacks did the same things and far worse, to other blacks, that Steve and you are claiming is all the white man's faults.

As an American, do YOU help make decisions about how we are governed ? Now, think carefully; this IS a trick question. :-)

You are reacting emotionally and without reason and facts. That isn't Conservative. This IS a Conservative forum.

This thread's topic is NOT about Apartheid; it's about that stinking Commie, Nelson Mandela. Please at least make a small stab at sticking to the topic.

[SteveTuck]

Finally fessing up ? You have NEVER lived in South Africa and have NEVER even been there.

Have you ever been to Communist China or Cuba? Did you ever visit the Soviet Union? How do you KNOW what life was like for people that lived in those countries?

[SteveTuck]

Hmmmmmmmmmm ... would you also like to condemn every other nation, that has ever existed, on the face of the earth, because, at one time or another, they too wouldn't allow certain perople to live in certain areas; or do you think that that is something " new " ?

Apartheid was a comprehensive system of economic and political discrimination against blacks and not just a policy that "wouldn't allow certain perople to live in certain areas."

[SteveTuck]

You are another bleeding heart liberal product of public education with no grasp of the real world...,where did you get info ....ANC

Not to worry! He is not white, so you are his genetic superior.

[SteveTuck]

If, as I suspect, you are an American, born & bred, then you are judging another country, by American values and through American culture tinted glasses. THAT'S A SILLY THING TO DO, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT !

Is the right to vote, citizenship, and the other political rights that the white-minority government took away from the blacks exclusively American values?

[SteveTuck]

When 20% of the population makes the decisions for the other 80% when the 80% have no say at all, where the 20% did not have to take into account the interests of the 80%, that is not democratic, IT IS NOT JUST.

So obvious to everyone but a racist...

[SteveTuck]

Forget it man, these people are obviosuly racists who do not think highly of people of color. Apartheid was and is wrong. And blacks are not inferior genetically to other humans. The Washington Post author Richburg wrote about the sad state of Africa but I am sure he did not defend segregation. And I wonder if goldenboy thinks blacks should be allowed to be journalists, national leaders, doctors or professionals. I am disgusted.

Exctly right. I suppose I am so unaccepting of racism that I am compelled to stand up to these racists.

[SteveTuck]

You immediately assumed that anyone calling themselves an African-American, is black. You showed your true colors; not to mention your Liberal bias. LOL

99% of the population accepts my interpretation of the label.