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To: georgiabelle
Illegal workers come to America because Americans employers want them.

Illegal drugs come to America because American dopers want them

There is no place more policed and regulated than a prison, and drugs are available inside most Americans prisons.

You can turn America into large prison, with electrical fences, vicious dogs, and prison guards in every corner, and you will still have illegal drugs and illegal aliens.

It's called capitalism, the Law of Supply and Demand.

The most effective way to deal with the illegal workers issue is to create a guest-worker program that will satisfy the American employers' needs.

Until then, you will be the victim of the Law of Supply and Demand.

The big capitalists, the farmers, the construction companies, the middle class people who refuse to mow their lawns are not going to give up their cheap labor.

Wake up, dear. Reality is not the way things should be, but reality it the way things are.

452 posted on 12/02/2002 6:47:23 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: LO_IQ
It's called capitalism, the Law of Supply and Demand.

Yes, but the flaw here is that capitalism has been circumvented by the minimum wage, which destroys the wage supply dynamics and holds them artificially high.

The most effective way to deal with the illegal workers issue is to create a guest-worker program that will satisfy the American employers' needs.

No, the way to deal with this problem is to repeal the socialist minimum wage so that illegals won't be motivated to come for work that isn't worth it.

The big capitalists, the farmers, the construction companies, the middle class people who refuse to mow their lawns are not going to give up their cheap labor.

They won't have to, it will go back to being done by teenagers and the down and out here, the way it always has been. Things will always get done. If you sealed the borders with armed soldiers then the cost of coming here would be too high. Mexico would be forced to change the draconian land ownership laws that are bringing this situation about in the first place.

Ever ask yourself why this nation's nearest neighbor to the south has the problem, when they are sitting on some of the largest gas reserves in the world?

If you check into it you will find that individuals cannot own land, cannot own farms, cannot own those things that would make it possible for them to create their own farms, factories and businesses to get ahead. Only towns, communities and collectives can own land in Mexico. When did you ever hear this, when were you ever told? There is no motivation for Mexico to change as long as they can send their peasants here. That's who all these people are, peasants who cannot legally own land in Mexico. The situation is far more complex than a 'guest-worker' program. It is a level of political corruption that we ignore in Mexico to our own detriment.

The other flaw in the 'guest-worker' thesis is that in California they can get more medical care, more education, more free living expenses, more of everything, than they can in their own country even if they had money. There is no advantage to being part of a guest worker program over just coming here and being an illegal if you don't make some penality for being illegal, like shooting them as the come across the border.

Reality is not the way things should be, but reality it the way things are.

The reality is, if the government doesn't start doing something soon, people are going to start taking things into their own hands. Some already are, as a link I posted shows. The coming meltdown in California is going to be really ugly. That's the reality. And as it does, the rest of the country is going to see the horror and say, 'Not here.'

Waking up depends upon whose sleeping.

477 posted on 12/02/2002 11:04:51 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: LO_IQ; Aliska
Reality is what I make it. Not what you say. In all the rebuttals that you gave me not once did you have any answers. Apparently your knee-jerk reaction to any thing is to roll over and play dead. That way the big bad men won’t come to get you. The ones in the black helicopters

My God, you two are a socialist dream. I would try and change your mind but I don’t really care to have you on our team. You aren’t Americans anymore, you’re little robots waiting for the government to tell you what to do and how to do it. And you are too frightened for your on safty and security to question anything. How sad.

Capitalism is also best practiced in a free society that is ruled by the laws of the land. Our laws are being flaunted and we are being robbed. What’s so hard to understand about that? We are the CITIZENS, we are the ones to change things.
486 posted on 12/03/2002 5:32:11 AM PST by georgiabelle
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