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To: drstevej; xzins
You are much better at telling me what I believe than listening to what I am saying. Maybe you will listen to the Bible, 1 John 5:1, "Everyone who believes [present tense] that Jesus is the Christ has been born [perfect tense] of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whomever has been born of him."

Beside the fact that only one translation I found (NRS) translated it as the 'begotten' as the perfect (has been), every other translation translated it as is (NASb, NIV, KJV, Geneva,) how does that passage say that regeneration and faith occur at the same time?

John is simply saying if you believe then you have been born of God, not that you were born of God and believed at the same time!

We are saved by faith which precedes regeneration.

Maybe you will listen to the Bible!

2,407 posted on 12/15/2002 5:30:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
The verb gegenetai in 1 John 5:1 is a perfect passive, 3rd person singular from genao.

2,411 posted on 12/15/2002 5:41:29 AM PST by drstevej
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