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PREVIOUS POST (drsj responds to ftD question) ftD: Are you regenerated before you believe or not? *** drsj: I affirm the logical not temporal precedence of regeneration to faith. KEY POINT, pay attention. They are simultaneous. -=-= ftD, looks like you didn't pay attention. You still repeat the following error... "Election, not the Cross, is the basis of the salvation of the Calvinist, since they are saved before they believe anything!" } LOGICAL not TEMPORAL order. } Regeneration and faith are SIMULTANEOUS.

As my post to you stated, they cannot be simultanous either, one is saved by faith.

In Calvinism, faith is occuring at the same time (for the sake of argument) as regeneration, then one is not being saved because of what he is believing in (the saving work of Christ) he is being saved because he is elected, thus, the faith has nothing to do with the regeneration which must be a result of that faith, not before it or simultanous with it.

The Biblical order is regeneration because of faith, any other order is not the Gospel.

Therefore, we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.(Rom.3:28)

The Calvinist's would read that one is justified at the same time with faith, not by it.