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To: fortheDeclaration
Where is verse 58 in relation to 63? That was the question...they walked away NOT when Jesus was teaching them about being the bread of life..they murmered but did not leave until he taught them they could not get into heaven by their own effort and law keeping...

BTW that is why they huing him you know? He was ALWAYS teaching them there was no salvation in law keeping..

Sorry you think I am now "wicked" but dec you need to rightly divide the word of God..and you are not doing that here

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     Jhn 6:61   When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

     Jhn 6:62   [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

     Jhn 6:63   It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.   

  Jhn 6:64   But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

     Jhn 6:65   And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

     Jhn 6:66   From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

2,344 posted on 12/14/2002 12:52:13 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; xzins
Where is verse 58 in relation to 63? That was the question...they walked away NOT when Jesus was teaching them about being the bread of life..they murmered but did not leave until he taught them they could not get into heaven by their own effort and law keeping... BTW that is why they huing him you know? He was ALWAYS teaching them there was no salvation in law keeping..

Is there something with your reading ability?

I know your thinking is shot, but I did not know it effected your reading as well.

They did not leave Jesus because He was preaching an anti-law message, they left because they took what He said about eating his flesh and drinking his blood literally (vs.52,55-60)

That is why he explained that He was not talking about His literal flesh and blood but faith which is the spiritual 'eating and drinking' of His body and blood.

Sorry you think I am now "wicked" but dec you need to rightly divide the word of God..and you are not doing that here

You have again changed the subject, no where in those passages is Christ trying to drive anyone away.

That they chose to leave was their decision to reject the truth for the lie, just as you have chosen to do with Calvinism (Mk.7:7)

. Jhn 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? Jhn 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

And so? Where do you read in any of those passages that Christ wanted them to depart?

He accepted the reality of their decisions, just like He knew that the Apostles would leave Him also when His trials began. (Jn.16:32)

Jhn 6:66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

So?

The question was not what happened, but why it happened.

Did Christ want them to leave (as Doc maintains is his ministry) or did they leave despite what God wanted.

There is not one verse you listed that states that Christ said what He said to drive people away, only that they were driven away.

I know very well what Doc's ministry is,

For of this sort are they which creep into houses and lead captive silly women...

2,348 posted on 12/14/2002 1:18:07 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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