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To: CCWoody; Jerry_M; jude24
Your statement is false, your misunderstanding of Romans 10:17 aside. Saving faith is based solely upon the free grace of God, which you deny.

Woody, I don't have time right now to respond to your less than gracious comments. However, what is your understanding of Ro. 10:17? This is one of the most plain verses in the Bible.

Ro. 10:17 is very similar to what Christ stated in John 6:45, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." Now, tell me that faith comes by any method other than hearing, and as Christ said, learning, in order to "come to" Christ.

Christ goes on in John 6:63 to state, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak to unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." How's this different than Ro. 10:17? And, if you got "life" and you got it from other than the Word of God, you got something other than what Christ was speaking about.

Apparently you believe God saved you without you responding to His Word. I suppose you think that's His grace because you've always been saved. How wrong that is since we're all born spiritually dead and need life. Christ, Himself, said that His words are "life." Furthermore if by grace God saved you from your birth, or possibly before, then His grace doesn't apply to all, which flies in the face of His statement through Paul that His will is for all men to be saved,1Tim. 2:4, not some, or only Calvinists, or Baptists, or Catholics or Jews or ... Compare this verse with Mt. 20:28 where Christ says He came to "give his life a ransom for many." I suppose you consider yourself one of the "many" not one of the "all." This is where you need to "rightly divide" the Word for understanding of the difference in these verses. Otherwise, which one do you believe?

But then, I believe it when God says His grace and salvation is freely available to all that believe the gospel (1Cor. 15:1-4) of God's grace. To believe implies that a decision was made to believe and that no decision is a decision not to believe the Word. Foolish me, I guess!

2,059 posted on 12/12/2002 1:19:27 PM PST by gracebeliever
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To: gracebeliever; ksen; Jerry_M; jude24
Apparently you believe God saved you without you responding to His Word. ~ "grace"believer I suppose you think that's His grace because you've always been saved. How wrong that is since we're all born spiritually dead and need life. Christ, Himself, said that His words are "life." ~ "grace"believer Furthermore if by grace God saved you from your birth, or possibly before, then His grace doesn't apply to all, which flies in the face of His statement through Paul that His will is for all men to be saved,1Tim. 2:4, not some, or only Calvinists, or Baptists, or Catholics or Jews or ... Compare this verse with Mt. 20:28 where Christ says He came to "give his life a ransom for many." ~ "grace"believer Woody.

P.S. Just because the apostolic preaching of the gospel of the kingdom of God is the method by which faith comes to a sinner does not mean that faith is not a work of the grace of God.

We all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. Beholding is becoming. Seeing Christ saves and sanctifies. Therefore, the Lord opened my blind eyes to see and I saw what was lacking in the afflictions of Christ.

BTW, I'm outta here! The south counties are overrun with horrible bloodthirsty creatures called deer and I am called to stem the tide of the menace.
2,068 posted on 12/12/2002 2:15:31 PM PST by CCWoody
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