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Is Satan Bound Today?
BibleBB ^ | Mike Vlach

Posted on 11/14/2002 11:56:40 AM PST by xzins

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To: Revelation 911; Matchett-PI
The insinuation is I have done so with you. Im sorry, but I dont recall calling you a liar - If I did please show me where

I called her a liar when she misquoted your freepmail (which you copied to me in full).

2,601 posted on 12/17/2002 9:15:13 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: xzins; Jerry_M; Jean Chauvin; All
"Wai-ming misunderstood YOUR posts at the time."

Oh, reeeeeeeeeally? I'm sure you set her straight behind the scenes in *private* FReepmail, though, didn't you.

Of course you didn't deny anything publically and ask me to provide the quotes for your words, did you?

WHY is THAT, huh?????????

I think we all know "WHY". LOL

2,602 posted on 12/17/2002 9:17:13 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: the_doc; RnMomof7; xzins; drstevej; fortheDeclaration; Revelation 911; Matchett-PI
So, although you apologized for a misstatement, we insisted that you apologize for something more profound.

WHAT??!?!?!?!?!

What was more profound doc? Someone posted a thread, I said something to the effect of "why bother talking to them. I just got a nasty email about my family." It was in response to a rather tame comment Rn made but it made me angry.

One of the Catholics (this was during the time YOU were under the gun for your horrific freepmail to Dr. Brian) said that if I had been threatened I needed to turn the person in.

WITHIN THE HOUR I came back and said "it was not a threat it was just a snotty comment that made me angry."

If you guys weren't so thirsty for the blood of anyone who dares to disagree with you, it would have died right there.

Those are the facts. And you know it. Although WE ALL know you'll never admit it.

2,603 posted on 12/17/2002 9:21:12 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: nobdysfool
I asked you about the sacrifices in the New temple..are you choosing not to answer?
2,604 posted on 12/17/2002 9:22:02 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: All
Hey you guys got moved to the backroom, somebody went crying to the mods again. :)

BigMack

2,605 posted on 12/17/2002 9:22:05 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Matchett-PI; Revelation 911
I've linked to the words. Go to them, mattie. It's all in the open.


It's at #2571.

You are such a liar.
2,606 posted on 12/17/2002 9:23:43 AM PST by xzins
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Matchett-PI; the_doc
I posted this thread. I didn't ask for it to be moved. But I don't mind it. Right now it's been hijacked by a liar (matchett) and a nut (the_doc).

They were losing the millennial argument, IMHO. So they had to start attacking people.

They are sick puppies.
2,607 posted on 12/17/2002 9:27:25 AM PST by xzins
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To: Starwind; gdebrae; the_doc; nobdysfool; jude24; RnMomof7; CCWoody; Matchett-PI; ...
[Jean Chauvin]: "The text does not say this, so you must show us why this ~MUST~ be the necessary understanding"

[Starwind]: "No I don't."

If you are charging us with "forcing" our interpretation on the passage, then you most certainly ~must~ show us why your interpretation is the ~NECESSARY~ one!

You "don't" because you ~can't~!

[Jean Chauvin]: "First of all, you will have to show us that the "1000" years must necessarily be understood as a literal time frame"

[Starwind]: "No I don't."

If you are charging us with "forcing" our interpretation on the passage, then you most certainly ~must~ show us why your interpretation is the ~NECESSARY~ one!

You "don't" because you ~can't~!

"How do their non-resurrected physical bodies have a life span of a thousand years?"

Another "straw man" argument! We never claimed that their "physical bodies" have a "life span" of a "thousand years". We simply say, as John 11:25,26 tells us, "they NEVER die"!

Obviously, John 11 is not meant to be understood as their physical bodies never dying!

"And you never did explain how if no one is ever physically dead, no one ever physically died, then how did all these 'not resurrected again' 'physically alive' people live for a thousand years? How did they live through two different thousand years?"

Another "straw man" argument! We never claimed that "no one" is ever "physically dead" or that "no one ever physically died".

Furthermore, the text does not say "resurrected again". You continue to add words to Rev 20 and then charge us with forcing our interpretations on the text! LOL!

If Rev 20 is so clear and must be interpreted literally, then why the need to change definitions of words in that text and add words to that text?

But to answer your question:

John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Those who liveth and believeth shall ~NEVER~ die! That is how they can "live" for a "thousand years". The Apostle John who wrote Revelation has been physically dead for around 1900 years. Yet, as the words of Christ he recorded above testify, he ~NEVER~ died! "This Day" he lives and reigns with Christ in paradise!

Blessed and Holy is John who "This day" lives and reigns with Christ in paradise! For John shall be a priest of God and of Christ! And John shall live with Christ for all eternity!

That ~is~ what Rev 20 is telling us! Rev 20 is not telling us about some stinking filthy sin filled "millennial kingdom". Rev 20 is telling us that those who believe in Christ are now alive with him! We have already been "made alive" (Eph 2) and we have already been seated in high places (Eph 2). It is those of us who already have been made alive and already live with Christ in Paradise who are to live with him for all of eternity!

That is the beautiful and wonderful message of Rev 20!

Jean

2,608 posted on 12/17/2002 9:30:41 AM PST by Jean Chauvin
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To: nobdysfool
If you equate resurrection and regeneration, I can see why you'd say that. Those who are dead physically do need resurrection.

If one is spiritually dead..and brought to life...that "regeneration "is a resurrection..from death to life

regeneration only found in Matt. 19:28 and Titus 3:5. This word literally means a "new birth." The Greek word so rendered (palingenesia) is used by classical writers with reference to the changes produced by the return of spring. In Matt. 19:28 the word is equivalent to the "restitution of all things" (Acts 3:21). In Titus 3:5 it denotes that change of heart elsewhere spoken of as a passing from death to life (1 John 3:14); becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5:17); being born again (John 3:5); a renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:2); a resurrection from the dead (Eph. 2:6); a being quickened (2:1, 5). This change is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. It originates not with man but with God (John 1:12, 13; 1 John 2:29; 5:1, 4). As to the nature of the change, it consists in the implanting of a new principle or disposition in the soul; the impartation of spiritual life to those who are by nature "dead in trespasses and sins." The necessity of such a change is emphatically affirmed in Scripture (John 3:3; Rom. 7:18; 8:7-9; 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 2:1; 4:21-24).
Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

2,609 posted on 12/17/2002 9:40:57 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: BibChr
So Dan how are you with returning to animal sacrifices for the forgivness of sin...and to please God?
2,610 posted on 12/17/2002 9:42:24 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
******Hey you guys got moved to the backroom, somebody went crying to the mods again. :)*******

My guess is that it was unintiated by anyone except the mod.

This thread was beginning to smell like a whorehouse before the bar fight broke out. :?O

2,611 posted on 12/17/2002 9:42:38 AM PST by lockeliberty
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To: Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; xzins; the_doc; Jerry_M
"what Rev said was crass and irreverant, but he said it in private after she spit on his prayer request. Matchett-PI is a liar with an axe to grind." #2567 posted on 12/17/2002 9:36 AM EST by Corin Stormhands

The perceptions of emotionally immature, self-focused mentalities are not reality.

2,612 posted on 12/17/2002 9:42:46 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: xzins; OrthodoxPresbyterian
If they would engage in that assumption for just a moment, they would see that the millennium would be a different dispensation.

One that makes the written inspired word of God of no account?

2,613 posted on 12/17/2002 9:43:53 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: xzins
???? All God's words ARE true, Woody. Surely you don't have a problem with that, do you?

except when you move into a "new dispensation" then all bets are off right?

2,614 posted on 12/17/2002 9:45:22 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: drstevej
My interpretation of Hosea remains the same. Israel is a unfaithful wife awaiting future reconcilliation. The Church is a expectant Bride seeking to be spotless for her Groom. Jospeh Smith agrees
2,615 posted on 12/17/2002 9:47:43 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: xzins
Full preterists need not worry about that "chip." They believe this all happened in the early history of the church.

And the freedom in this is liberating.
However beyond end times talk, I would oppose it for myself because I love my liberty. And there are some securities one must be willing to dismiss in the pursuit of freedom. I am not in support of anyone being able to track my or my childs every move. This is not "beast" related, it is life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness!
2,616 posted on 12/17/2002 9:50:49 AM PST by nate4one
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To: RnMomof7
TPJS,SBUHN hijacked the Aaronic priesthood and invented Injun Israelism and calls it the restored Church of Jesus Christ. In his system TCOJSLDS is the new Israel. Sound familiar?

Your assessment is hollow at best.
2,617 posted on 12/17/2002 9:53:39 AM PST by drstevej
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To: Jean Chauvin
That ~is~ what Rev 20 is telling us! Rev 20 is not telling us about some stinking filthy sin filled "millennial kingdom". Rev 20 is telling us that those who believe in Christ are now alive with him! We have already been "made alive" (Eph 2) and we have already been seated in high places (Eph 2). It is those of us who already have been made alive and already live with Christ in Paradise who are to live with him for all of eternity!

Funny, sound a lot like what Revelation 21 is doing as well.
The picture of a restored Edenic relationship with God!
2,618 posted on 12/17/2002 9:54:43 AM PST by nate4one
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To: Corin Stormhands; All
This is history and really not productive..it sounds like 1st graders all of you...this diversion is straight from the pit of hell....

Who will be the one to put it down first?

2,619 posted on 12/17/2002 9:56:53 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Every time certain people post it seems to end up that way Mack..just rubbing each other the wrong way...

Cough Coough ..hack hack ...and I have asthma

2,620 posted on 12/17/2002 9:58:10 AM PST by RnMomof7
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