Posted on 11/14/2002 11:56:40 AM PST by xzins
I called her a liar when she misquoted your freepmail (which you copied to me in full).
Oh, reeeeeeeeeally? I'm sure you set her straight behind the scenes in *private* FReepmail, though, didn't you.
Of course you didn't deny anything publically and ask me to provide the quotes for your words, did you?
WHY is THAT, huh?????????
I think we all know "WHY". LOL
WHAT??!?!?!?!?!
What was more profound doc? Someone posted a thread, I said something to the effect of "why bother talking to them. I just got a nasty email about my family." It was in response to a rather tame comment Rn made but it made me angry.
One of the Catholics (this was during the time YOU were under the gun for your horrific freepmail to Dr. Brian) said that if I had been threatened I needed to turn the person in.
WITHIN THE HOUR I came back and said "it was not a threat it was just a snotty comment that made me angry."
If you guys weren't so thirsty for the blood of anyone who dares to disagree with you, it would have died right there.
Those are the facts. And you know it. Although WE ALL know you'll never admit it.
BigMack
[Starwind]: "No I don't."
If you are charging us with "forcing" our interpretation on the passage, then you most certainly ~must~ show us why your interpretation is the ~NECESSARY~ one!
You "don't" because you ~can't~!
[Jean Chauvin]: "First of all, you will have to show us that the "1000" years must necessarily be understood as a literal time frame"
[Starwind]: "No I don't."
If you are charging us with "forcing" our interpretation on the passage, then you most certainly ~must~ show us why your interpretation is the ~NECESSARY~ one!
You "don't" because you ~can't~!
"How do their non-resurrected physical bodies have a life span of a thousand years?"
Another "straw man" argument! We never claimed that their "physical bodies" have a "life span" of a "thousand years". We simply say, as John 11:25,26 tells us, "they NEVER die"!
Obviously, John 11 is not meant to be understood as their physical bodies never dying!
"And you never did explain how if no one is ever physically dead, no one ever physically died, then how did all these 'not resurrected again' 'physically alive' people live for a thousand years? How did they live through two different thousand years?"
Another "straw man" argument! We never claimed that "no one" is ever "physically dead" or that "no one ever physically died".
Furthermore, the text does not say "resurrected again". You continue to add words to Rev 20 and then charge us with forcing our interpretations on the text! LOL!
If Rev 20 is so clear and must be interpreted literally, then why the need to change definitions of words in that text and add words to that text?
But to answer your question:
John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Those who liveth and believeth shall ~NEVER~ die! That is how they can "live" for a "thousand years". The Apostle John who wrote Revelation has been physically dead for around 1900 years. Yet, as the words of Christ he recorded above testify, he ~NEVER~ died! "This Day" he lives and reigns with Christ in paradise!
Blessed and Holy is John who "This day" lives and reigns with Christ in paradise! For John shall be a priest of God and of Christ! And John shall live with Christ for all eternity!
That ~is~ what Rev 20 is telling us! Rev 20 is not telling us about some stinking filthy sin filled "millennial kingdom". Rev 20 is telling us that those who believe in Christ are now alive with him! We have already been "made alive" (Eph 2) and we have already been seated in high places (Eph 2). It is those of us who already have been made alive and already live with Christ in Paradise who are to live with him for all of eternity!
That is the beautiful and wonderful message of Rev 20!
Jean
If one is spiritually dead..and brought to life...that "regeneration "is a resurrection..from death to life
regeneration only found in Matt. 19:28 and Titus 3:5. This word literally means a "new birth." The Greek word so rendered (palingenesia) is used by classical writers with reference to the changes produced by the return of spring. In Matt. 19:28 the word is equivalent to the "restitution of all things" (Acts 3:21). In Titus 3:5 it denotes that change of heart elsewhere spoken of as a passing from death to life (1 John 3:14); becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 5:17); being born again (John 3:5); a renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:2); a resurrection from the dead (Eph. 2:6); a being quickened (2:1, 5). This change is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. It originates not with man but with God (John 1:12, 13; 1 John 2:29; 5:1, 4). As to the nature of the change, it consists in the implanting of a new principle or disposition in the soul; the impartation of spiritual life to those who are by nature "dead in trespasses and sins." The necessity of such a change is emphatically affirmed in Scripture (John 3:3; Rom. 7:18; 8:7-9; 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 2:1; 4:21-24).
Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
The perceptions of emotionally immature, self-focused mentalities are not reality.
One that makes the written inspired word of God of no account?
except when you move into a "new dispensation" then all bets are off right?
Who will be the one to put it down first?
Cough Coough ..hack hack ...and I have asthma
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