Is Satan Bound Today?

BibleBB ^ | Mike Vlach

[drstevej]

***If Woody was formerly an enemy of God, filthy and dirty, how can I be part of a spotless Bride awaiting her Groom?***

Not sure of your question. Please rephrase. Also see my post #2460 to you and rn.

[RnMomof7]

Steve IF we see the nation Israel through the NT ...it seems to me that the church is "spiritual " Israel....if that is the case than can it be said that the bride of Hosea becomes the Bride of Christ by the cross?

[drstevej]

But Hosea had a WIFE not a bride. That is my point!

[drstevej]

Read Ezekiel 16.

[RnMomof7]

Steve are you reading things into Hosea ..more than God intended? That was about His patience and forgiveness to HIS people.. it was typology me thinks not literal..

[drstevej]

Ezekiel 16 underscores the same point and in greater detail. We may come to differing conclusions but you do need to consider the statement in Ezekiel that Israel entered into a marriage (not literally but a reality none the less) by a covenant. They are adulterous yet eventually return to honor their covenant.

Ephesians 5 describes a bride awaiting her marriage to her Groom. If this is Israel, then this bride (using logic similar to CCW's charge) is either a divorcee remarrying her first husband or this is not really a marriage but a reaffirmation of vows.

Dispensationalists see a future return of adulterous Israel to covenant faithfulness. They see the Church as a distinct entity being prepared for marriage to Christ. Call this multiple wives if you want. I do not because I think both the OT and NT use marriage images to describe a spiritual relationship.

[RnMomof7]

Dispensationalists see a future return of adulterous Israel to covenant faithfulness.

Do they have to come through the cross? Or do they come their own way?

[DouglasKC]

I ask where does it say anything about what Satan believes here?

"for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "

He believes that he doesn't have much time...

[RnMomof7]

and.......

[drstevej]

Through the cross, embracing Jesus as the Messiah.

[RnMomof7]

Through the cross, embracing Jesus as the Messiah.

Doesn't that make them the church then? (I was never pretrib..)

[DouglasKC]

and.......

...so is full of wrath.

[drstevej]

In my understanding the answer to your question is no. Why? Because the church is alread gone when this occurs.

[RnMomof7]

In my understanding the answer to your question is no. Why? Because the church is alread gone when this occurs.

Is the church determined by its location? What about gentiles that are saved after the rapture..will they not be the church either?

[RnMomof7]

I have faith in the promise of his coming. Satan fears it:
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Where does it say he fears it..says he is angry but I do not see fear

[drstevej]

We are getting well away from the initial point. I am not up to a general eschatology debate. I was simply responding to a CCW statement which I think is unfair.

[RnMomof7]

Sorry...but I can not understand two seperate classes in heaven..I do not ~think~ it is scripitual..

[drstevej]

natural and wild branches.

[RnMomof7]

natural and wild branches.

but one vine..one root system....I always thought of me being ingrafted into Israel through Christ ...

Is there scripture on Israel and the church being seperate?

[DouglasKC]

I have faith in the promise of his coming. Satan fears it:
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Where does it say he fears it..says he is angry but I do not see fear

That's not what you asked. You asked what Satan believed from the verses I posted.

But I'll answer this one too. Fear and wrath are symptoms of the same thing. An angry snarling dog doesn't bite you because he's angry at you. He bites you because he fears you.