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War, famine, drought, flood, pestilence, disease, all are caused by sin." CJ You have supported such insanity. Can you honestly critique CJ's ideology and identify very real and serious flaws within it? Or are you simply another shallow-thinking zealot, kevin, -- an idiot wheezing platitudes from a soapbox? As a Christian I believe the world is fundamentally broken and all these travails you list are a consequence of sin. A strange sort of vengeful Christ you fellas believe in. But so be it. I also believe I must function as best as I can within a broken world, and that our Constitutional Republic is best suited of all flawed political inventions to allowing the greatest amount of meaningful freedom in a broken world. I can easily and comfortably defend both beliefs honestly, consistently, and simultaneously. No, kevin, you do not. - You urge that we pass unconstitutional laws to deal with all the 'sin' you imagine is being brought upon us. I also believe as a Christian that a libertarian society is only truly well suited to conservative Christians such as myself. Conversely, I do not believe it is presently suited to America as a whole or to atheists in particular. As long as atheists champion libertarianism in existing circumstances, I want no part of it. Delusional. You see yourself as above others solely because of your faith. This in itself is an unchristian hubris. I am discerning and savvy enough to see that the flowering of atheist libertarianism has coincided with the rise of sexual promiscuity, abortion, pornography, AIDS and other STDs, the disintegration of the traditional family, and the rise of the nanny state. All the 'sins' that CJ listed above, plus your list here, you blame upon "atheist libertarianism"? Good grief, -- I didn't realise we libertarians were this millennial old evil force! - Obviousy, kevin, we are not. Your rants do not make it so. The nanny state is the ultimate consequence of these evils--indeed, it is the necessary consequence of the self-worshipping hedonistic "man is measure of all things" atheist libertarian ethic. No such "ethic", kevin. You do rave on tho, kiddo. The alternative is anarchy, which the nation as a whole will likely never accept. There is a mid-point between total nanny statism and anarchy on that spectrum of political action, and it is where we are now: passing more and more laws in a vain and desperate attempt to impose discipline on hedonist adult-children externally to compensate for their total lack of self-discipline internally. We cannot stay at that point. It is fundamentally unstable. We must and will fall toward total nanny statism or anarchy. The trend is already established. It is toward total nanny statism. Yes kevin, and this insanity is being goaded on by fools like you, and your faction here at FR. Catch 22, you are too insane to see it is your own mania to "impose disipline" that is creating the fall of our free republic. Now, I don't savor the destination one bit. But it is where feckless libertines and the liberal democrats are jointly taking us. Libertarians rage and rave against the nanny state, but they themselves are directly responsible for its ascendance. They want the untrammeled freedom to engage in destructive personal childish self-indulgent behaviors that impose enormous external costs on others, but they they become angry when they are treated like children by fellow citizens or the state. Their feeble protestations to the contrary, they want freedom without consequence. In short, they want license. Bizzare. You blame us for the "sin" you feel must be punished by creating a socialist state. In sum, I place about the same amount of trust in atheists to implement workable libertarianism as I do in Democrats to manage my personal property. In sum, you wish to destroy our constitutional repubic to save it from 'sin'.

I wonder if anybody will ever read that?