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LIBERTARIANS; THE SOCIALIST'S BEST FRIEND
THE LOGICAL VIEW ^ | 11/06/02 | MARK A SITY

Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net

TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02

When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.

Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.

IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!

Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!

Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.

MARK A SITY http://www.logic101.net/


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To: Mark Felton
To cherry: You just said: The reason Republicans cannot stop themselves from expanding social programs is because the only people in the country who are opposed to expanding social programs will not vote for them.

OMG, I read it like that to! LOL!!!

81 posted on 11/06/2002 8:27:42 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: All
ok,new at posting here and learning the ropes.

so far i know republicans have freerepublic and dems have DU,but i dont know if the libertarians have any 'grass roots' site.

does anyone know if one exists?
82 posted on 11/06/2002 8:36:15 AM PST by newbee
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To: newbee
Libertarian Underground. Kind of a slap at the DU. Liberals try and co-opt some of the discussions, but they are much better at humiliating disruptors over there than here.

More of a topic site than a high volume news site like FR. I like keep tabs on things going on in the world and there is no better place than right here at FR.

83 posted on 11/06/2002 8:49:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
Thanks alot:-)
84 posted on 11/06/2002 9:00:36 AM PST by newbee
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To: newbee
Not a problem. If the Libertarian's lack of success at the polls starts getting you down, check out the RLC. I may be heading that way sometime between now and the next set of elections.

The only way the Libertarians are going to get elected is if they run an effective campaign. Without the cash resources to do so, that isn't going to happen. While their stance on not using tax money for elections like the Big Two parties do, may be principled... it also isn't going to win them any more seats than they already occupy.

Get elected first, then worry about changing the rules to fit your principles.

85 posted on 11/06/2002 9:05:30 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: logic101.net
We can sort out our diferences after they are out of power!

Look, understand:

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE OUT OF POWER!!

They're just going to change their labels, as they've already begun to do. As long as there's power, there are going to be people who will try to get as much of it for themselves as they can. Likewise, there's always going to be a need to vote off-the-board as the situation demands. If we constantly chain ourselves to a two-party mentality, because we're constantly in dread of the short-term consequences, we'll never be able to defend our freedoms, we'll always be enslaved to "the lesser of two evils", whatever name it might take.

86 posted on 11/06/2002 9:07:08 AM PST by inquest
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To: Cultural Jihad
Policemen have free will. Prosecutors have free will. Judges and juries have free will. Bailiffs and jailers also have free will.

Juries, I would agree with. As for the rest - not while they are on the taxpayers payroll, they don't. Their free will is restriced by the LAW. Let's not forget who works for who here. To paraphrase Jefferson, anyone who accepts a public trust, should consider themselves public property.

87 posted on 11/06/2002 9:11:01 AM PST by southern rock
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To: newbee
This is not a GOP site. It leans heavily in the GOP direction mostly because its goals are federalist and anti-corruption and the Dems are the embodiment of the big government corruption we all love to loathe. There is and always has been a very significant libertarian presence on FR.
88 posted on 11/06/2002 9:39:34 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: newbee
LibertyPost.org is the best.
89 posted on 11/06/2002 9:53:50 AM PST by Mark Felton
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To: thoughtomator
"This is not a GOP site "

I hate to disagree, but JimRob has stated that in order to advance conservatism this site must promote Republicans. There was a purge of many libertarians earlier this year because they were perceived to be anti-GOP.

90 posted on 11/06/2002 9:57:08 AM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
"Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!"
- FR mission statement

I don't see anything about the GOP there. As I said, the reason FR heavily favors the GOP is due to the fact that the GOP is generally aligned with our goals, not the other way around. It's not uncommon to see a GOP officeholder get savaged here for being a liberal, or a Dem in disguise a.k.a. RINO. Slavish party-line toers, FReepers are not.
91 posted on 11/06/2002 10:08:28 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: logic101.net

It is perfectly valid to call moral-liberals as "Libs."

92 posted on 11/06/2002 10:08:58 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: thoughtomator

Ask Darth Sidious about that. He publicly stated he was going to vote for Clintonite Erskine Bowles. You can ask him how his voting went.

93 posted on 11/06/2002 10:13:12 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: logic101.net
If Republican/Socialists weren't just as addicted to government spending as Democrat/Socialists, there wouldn't be a Libertarian Party.
94 posted on 11/06/2002 10:21:58 AM PST by yoswif
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To: Admin Moderator
JR - is this the same old FR that I went to Washington with, or has it turned into a GOP cheerleader site? Perhaps you can clear this up for us, there seems to be a difference of opinion.
95 posted on 11/06/2002 10:22:12 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: Mark Felton
You bast@rd! Now I've got yet ANOTHER site to get addicted to. ;-)

(Thanks for the link)

96 posted on 11/06/2002 10:22:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: FreeTally
Here in Florida, we had several State House and Senate seats where Democrats ran unopposed by Republicans, but there was a Libertarian opponent(there were a few where it was a Rep. vs. Lib, too). In most races, the Libertarian got 20% to 25%. Guess what? That means that in some cases, the refusal of Republicans to vote for a Libertarian, when there was NO Rep. running, put Democrats in the government.

Huh? Maybe there was no republican running since there was no way anyone other than the dem would win! Your analysis has no merit without some numbers from those districts.

97 posted on 11/06/2002 10:26:26 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: thoughtomator
You haven't been around for a while have you? The Bush-bots have been highly active here for quite some time. It doesn't matter how many times you point out to them that "socialism is socialism regradless of the letter next to the candidates name".

Gods forbid that you actually stick up for the Constitution and our Natural(or God Given as you prefer) Rights.

98 posted on 11/06/2002 10:26:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
Well, I for one will continue to support Constitutional government and inalienable rights, and should I be banned for calling a politician/political organization out on the carpet for violating the laws they have sworn to uphold, so be it.
99 posted on 11/06/2002 10:31:39 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: cinFLA
How about in the Heart of Texas. Messina vs. communist Loyd Doggett? Are you trying to tell me that right here at the State Capitol, the GOP couldn't find someone who could run against Doggbert? Anyone with a budget and a splash of charisma could have nuked him here. The way it was, Messina just had to make due with the charisma. 15.1% of the vote as of this morning for Micheal. Only 130,000 people out of some 300,000 in the district voted. You can't tell me Republicans weren't staying away in droves.

You can't win if you don't even try. Heck, at least the LP is TRYING.

(sarcasm) I guess central Texas just isn't that important to the GOP. I mean, it's only where the Capitol building is. (/sarcasm)

100 posted on 11/06/2002 10:33:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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