LIBERTARIANS; THE SOCIALIST'S BEST FRIEND

THE LOGICAL VIEW ^ | 11/06/02 | MARK A SITY

[FreeTally]

To cherry: You just said: The reason Republicans cannot stop themselves from expanding social programs is because the only people in the country who are opposed to expanding social programs will not vote for them.

OMG, I read it like that to! LOL!!!

[newbee]

ok,new at posting here and learning the ropes.

so far i know republicans have freerepublic and dems have DU,but i dont know if the libertarians have any 'grass roots' site.

does anyone know if one exists?

[Dead Corpse]

Libertarian Underground. Kind of a slap at the DU. Liberals try and co-opt some of the discussions, but they are much better at humiliating disruptors over there than here.

More of a topic site than a high volume news site like FR. I like keep tabs on things going on in the world and there is no better place than right here at FR.

[newbee]

Thanks alot:-)

[Dead Corpse]

Not a problem. If the Libertarian's lack of success at the polls starts getting you down, check out the RLC. I may be heading that way sometime between now and the next set of elections.

The only way the Libertarians are going to get elected is if they run an effective campaign. Without the cash resources to do so, that isn't going to happen. While their stance on not using tax money for elections like the Big Two parties do, may be principled... it also isn't going to win them any more seats than they already occupy.

Get elected first, then worry about changing the rules to fit your principles.

[inquest]

We can sort out our diferences after they are out of power!

Look, understand:

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE OUT OF POWER!!

They're just going to change their labels, as they've already begun to do. As long as there's power, there are going to be people who will try to get as much of it for themselves as they can. Likewise, there's always going to be a need to vote off-the-board as the situation demands. If we constantly chain ourselves to a two-party mentality, because we're constantly in dread of the short-term consequences, we'll never be able to defend our freedoms, we'll always be enslaved to "the lesser of two evils", whatever name it might take.

[southern rock]

Policemen have free will. Prosecutors have free will. Judges and juries have free will. Bailiffs and jailers also have free will.

Juries, I would agree with. As for the rest - not while they are on the taxpayers payroll, they don't. Their free will is restriced by the LAW. Let's not forget who works for who here. To paraphrase Jefferson, anyone who accepts a public trust, should consider themselves public property.

[thoughtomator]

This is not a GOP site. It leans heavily in the GOP direction mostly because its goals are federalist and anti-corruption and the Dems are the embodiment of the big government corruption we all love to loathe. There is and always has been a very significant libertarian presence on FR.

[Mark Felton]

LibertyPost.org is the best.

[Mark Felton]

"This is not a GOP site "

I hate to disagree, but JimRob has stated that in order to advance conservatism this site must promote Republicans. There was a purge of many libertarians earlier this year because they were perceived to be anti-GOP.

[thoughtomator]

"Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!"
- FR mission statement

I don't see anything about the GOP there. As I said, the reason FR heavily favors the GOP is due to the fact that the GOP is generally aligned with our goals, not the other way around. It's not uncommon to see a GOP officeholder get savaged here for being a liberal, or a Dem in disguise a.k.a. RINO. Slavish party-line toers, FReepers are not.

[Cultural Jihad]

Please, NEVER refer to the Libertarian Party as the "Libs"; this causes confusion. When I use the abreviation "Libs" I am NOT refering to Libertarians, but rather "Liberals". Ok, maybe I should take my own advice here, and refrain from using that abreviation also - since now I know it causes confusion!

It is perfectly valid to call moral-liberals as "Libs."

[Cultural Jihad]

Slavish party-line toers, FReepers are not.

Ask Darth Sidious about that. He publicly stated he was going to vote for Clintonite Erskine Bowles. You can ask him how his voting went.

[yoswif]

If Republican/Socialists weren't just as addicted to government spending as Democrat/Socialists, there wouldn't be a Libertarian Party.

[thoughtomator]

JR - is this the same old FR that I went to Washington with, or has it turned into a GOP cheerleader site? Perhaps you can clear this up for us, there seems to be a difference of opinion.

[Dead Corpse]

You bast@rd! Now I've got yet ANOTHER site to get addicted to. ;-)

(Thanks for the link)

[cinFLA]

Here in Florida, we had several State House and Senate seats where Democrats ran unopposed by Republicans, but there was a Libertarian opponent(there were a few where it was a Rep. vs. Lib, too). In most races, the Libertarian got 20% to 25%. Guess what? That means that in some cases, the refusal of Republicans to vote for a Libertarian, when there was NO Rep. running, put Democrats in the government.

Huh? Maybe there was no republican running since there was no way anyone other than the dem would win! Your analysis has no merit without some numbers from those districts.

[Dead Corpse]

You haven't been around for a while have you? The Bush-bots have been highly active here for quite some time. It doesn't matter how many times you point out to them that "socialism is socialism regradless of the letter next to the candidates name".

Gods forbid that you actually stick up for the Constitution and our Natural(or God Given as you prefer) Rights.

[thoughtomator]

Well, I for one will continue to support Constitutional government and inalienable rights, and should I be banned for calling a politician/political organization out on the carpet for violating the laws they have sworn to uphold, so be it.

[Dead Corpse]

How about in the Heart of Texas. Messina vs. communist Loyd Doggett? Are you trying to tell me that right here at the State Capitol, the GOP couldn't find someone who could run against Doggbert? Anyone with a budget and a splash of charisma could have nuked him here. The way it was, Messina just had to make due with the charisma. 15.1% of the vote as of this morning for Micheal. Only 130,000 people out of some 300,000 in the district voted. You can't tell me Republicans weren't staying away in droves.

You can't win if you don't even try. Heck, at least the LP is TRYING.

(sarcasm) I guess central Texas just isn't that important to the GOP. I mean, it's only where the Capitol building is. (/sarcasm)