Posted on 11/01/2002 1:12:37 PM PST by winner45
Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians
....even if you don’t like them!
1..Libertarians understand that freedom requires responsibility. Freedom can be denied to those who harm others or the property of others.
2..Libertarians ALWAYS vote against tax increases and ALWAYS vote for freedom.
3..Libertarians understand that freedom and equality go hand in hand. Your freedom to live as you please is given to you by the same authority which gives freedom to the persons who may have different lifestyles. You have to give them their freedom to do that to obtain your freedom.
4..Your freedom is not given by the Constitution. It is given from a higher power. Libertarians understand that the Constitution merely sets it down on paper.
5..Libertarians understand that God is of libertarian spirit. He gave humanity free will. He could have just as easily made humanity incapable of free choice. It is kind of arrogant for government to deny the freedom that God Himself has given. When the Israelites wanted a king, God was offended. Laws by man are petty and inferior.
6..If you are unhappy with both Democrats and Republicans, register your unhappiness with a vote for a Libertarian. If a Libertarian got 30% of the vote, it would scare the pants off of the ruling class. They would become more receptive to reason.
7..Libertarians understand that a good society is built upon hard working individuals doing their best in a responsible way. It seems that the ruling parties think that a good society is built upon government group efforts wherein people work (shirk) together.
8..Libertarians understand that the Bill of Rights is as relevant and crucially important today as it was over 200 years ago. Libertarians even think that our government should start observing it once more.
9..Libertarians realize that freedom has many limitations. The winners of elections do not have the right to lord the will of the majority over the rights of the minorities.
10..Libertarians are the only political people that believe that 98% of our citizens are morally good enough and intelligent enough to run their own lives. Basic laws are there to protect us from the other 2%.
I've never said anywhere that government was the source of our unalienable rights. So take your long winded neolibertarian lecture about such and stick it up your appropriate place!
You show me where I said that government can modify unalienable rights?
I have said that government was the source of government rights. I have said that government rights can prevent the exercising of unalienable rights. I've never said that government can take away unalienable rights.
I've also never said where you can shove your neolibertarian lecture. A waste bin or a puter are possibilities.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you can prevent me from exercising my inalienable rights, are you not taking them away from me? I fail to see the difference.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you can prevent me from exercising my inalienable rights, are you not taking them away from me? I fail to see the difference.
OK, if a anarchist or a tyrant were to break into your house and take your gun away from you, they would be preventing you from exercising your unalienable right to posess that gun but they would not be taking away your unalienable right to have that gun.
Just because you don't have that gun anymore, doesn't mean that you don't have a God given right to have that gun.
Firstly "us" includes me, a registered LPer and my point is that until welfare is ceased the borders should be closed. The only LibTars we have in positions of power, what's his name- head of the INS and Ron Paul are letting the money sponges across the border without consideration to the welfare problem.
EBUCK
Someone should take you out to the tool shed and sharpen you up a bit.
Libertarians believe in personal responsibility above all else. LPers say if "if it feels good do it" is your personal motto fine, but don't expect us to pick you up after you fall cause what you do to your self is your problem.
EBUCK
Your mind is already made up, and there is no convincing you of anything! You're determined to hand over power to the Liberal Dimocrats!! You are an infil-traitor!!!
Firstly "us" includes me, a registered LPer and my point is that until welfare is ceased the borders should be closed. The only LibTars we have in positions of power, what's his name- head of the INS and Ron Paul are letting the money sponges across the border without consideration to the welfare problem.
I'm glad to hear you're a registered LPer; my point is that closing the borders is impossible and immoral. We need to put all of our energy into ending the welfare state which is both possible and moral.
Firstly, closing the borders is imposible??? Sure, one or two a month could slip by the military but how's that when compared with 100's of thousands?
Secondly, it is immoral to allow them to come here and steal the fruits of my labor (with gubment consent of course).
Welfare will not cease until the welfare roles are a shriveled husk of what they are today. Which cannot be accomplished until we stem the tide of potential welfare recipients, of which illegal immigrants are a very large part.
EBUCK
Each group drains from the DNC and costs them votes. We saw the Green party's effect on the DNC in the 2000 election. Even though they share 90% of the ideas they take a single issue and split from the party. Idolizing 10% and losing 90%. Not a good bargain.
Imagine the country as a boulder falling down a slope. The Donkey is on top riding it down. The Elephant is pushing as hard as he can to stop the boulder and then the libertarians are there kicking the elephants legs out from under him. If you agree with the principles of the DNC then by all means vote Libertarian this time around if the Republican isn't a lock.
Your analogy is amusing but not quite accurate; the elephant and the donkey are both pushing the boulder down the hill and the ferret (Libertarian) is pushing back as hard as he can. Meanwhile the weasel (Big Business) and the hyena (Big Labor) are sawing the Libertarian's legs out from under him.
They're using a saw from the Libertarian's workshop which was confiscated in a raid by the elephant and the donkey who were looking for dangerous unlicensed hand tools. Of course the elephant and donkey are supported by the ferret's taxes so in effect the ferret has paid someone else to steal his own property.
Firstly, closing the borders is imposible??? Sure, one or two a month could slip by the military but how's that when compared with 100's of thousands?
Secondly, it is immoral to allow them to come here and steal the fruits of my labor (with gubment consent of course).
Welfare will not cease until the welfare roles are a shriveled husk of what they are today. Which cannot be accomplished until we stem the tide of potential welfare recipients, of which illegal immigrants are a very large part.
EBUCK
One or two a month? Like the one or two federal prisoners a month who are able to have drugs smuggled into one of the most tightly regulated environments in the country? Come on!
Don't you realize that government can't stop illegal immigration anymore than it can stop drug smuggling, abortion or anything else we don't like? The only way to keep welfare seekers from coming here is to eliminate government welfare, not use the military for an unconstitutional purpose.
Can an illegal alien be smuggled inside an anus or stomach?
Nope, stopping illegals from entering our country is as simple as putting the military on the border (it is their Constitutionally mandated job to protect us from all enimies foriegn and domsetic BTW).
Listen, I'm not gonna tell you that sealing the border will end welfare and I do agree that ending welfare will remove my deisre to have the border manned. But welfare is here to stay until the perceived need for welfare is at such a level that the bleeding hearts no longer pay attention, it'll never happen. So my only option, to decrease my personal buden, is to stop them getting here in the first place.
EBUCK
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