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Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians
http://www.votenorman.org ^ | ?/?/2002 | Clarence Young

Posted on 11/01/2002 1:12:37 PM PST by winner45

Ten Reasons to Vote for Libertarians

....even if you don’t like them!

1..Libertarians understand that freedom requires responsibility. Freedom can be denied to those who harm others or the property of others.

2..Libertarians ALWAYS vote against tax increases and ALWAYS vote for freedom.

3..Libertarians understand that freedom and equality go hand in hand. Your freedom to live as you please is given to you by the same authority which gives freedom to the persons who may have different lifestyles. You have to give them their freedom to do that to obtain your freedom.

4..Your freedom is not given by the Constitution. It is given from a higher power. Libertarians understand that the Constitution merely sets it down on paper.

5..Libertarians understand that God is of libertarian spirit. He gave humanity free will. He could have just as easily made humanity incapable of free choice. It is kind of arrogant for government to deny the freedom that God Himself has given. When the Israelites wanted a king, God was offended. Laws by man are petty and inferior.

6..If you are unhappy with both Democrats and Republicans, register your unhappiness with a vote for a Libertarian. If a Libertarian got 30% of the vote, it would scare the pants off of the ruling class. They would become more receptive to reason.

7..Libertarians understand that a good society is built upon hard working individuals doing their best in a responsible way. It seems that the ruling parties think that a good society is built upon government group efforts wherein people work (shirk) together.

8..Libertarians understand that the Bill of Rights is as relevant and crucially important today as it was over 200 years ago. Libertarians even think that our government should start observing it once more.

9..Libertarians realize that freedom has many limitations. The winners of elections do not have the right to lord the will of the majority over the rights of the minorities.

10..Libertarians are the only political people that believe that 98% of our citizens are morally good enough and intelligent enough to run their own lives. Basic laws are there to protect us from the other 2%.


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To: winner45
10..Libertarians are the only political people that believe that 98% of our citizens are morally good enough and intelligent enough to run their own lives. Basic laws are there to protect us from the other 2%.

Do you honestly believe that Utopian horses--t?

I used think along those lines, until my high-minded opinions were completely shattered by eight years of Bill Clinton's high approval ratings, and the fact that half the country saw nothing wrong with Al Gore trying to steal a presidential election in plain sight.

141 posted on 11/01/2002 2:39:38 PM PST by Yankee
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To: Dead Corpse
Porn? None of your business what I watch in my home.

STOP. RIGHT. THERE.

You want to tell that to the women who are sexually and physically abused by men who watch the gross mistreatment of other women and want to duplicate it with the woman they "love"?

Believe me, pal, you do not want to go there.

142 posted on 11/01/2002 2:40:39 PM PST by Houmatt
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To: Tall_Texan
"They believe any social vice is okay as long as nobody uses force."

Wrong. They believe that it is not the government's business telling them what vices are ok and which aren't.

" I guess, by your logic, heroin addiction is just a personal weakness - no responsibility goes to the drug smuggler who supplied it?"

No more than the responsibility for a gun crime goes to the dealer who sold him the gun.

"And that comment on addiction goes for nicotine and alcohol too but we, as a society, have already let those genies out of the bottle and are having to reap the consequences for them"

Weak argument. Many drugs have been around for centuries and only recently have been made illegal. You are advocating a government in which YOU get to choose what is illegal and what isn't.
143 posted on 11/01/2002 2:42:55 PM PST by spodbox
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To: Senator Pardek
Why would one need the latter when one is guaranteed the former?

TOUCHÉ!

144 posted on 11/01/2002 2:43:07 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: robertpaulsen
"ALL pornography"?
Including paedophile?
If that is the case, I will be forced to retract my kind words concerning the LP!
145 posted on 11/01/2002 2:43:09 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: dead
Au contraire...

I believe that the candidates the Libertarians have chosen are quite representaive of the party's membership.

Their candidates are about as "viable" as a a dime store clothing dummy.
146 posted on 11/01/2002 2:43:50 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: dark_lord
And nobody gets banned.

Well, "Darth Sidious" is in the cooler until the day after the elections....it does happen here.

147 posted on 11/01/2002 2:44:34 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: winner45
This is supremely stupid on the part of the Libertarian Party. If they wanted to try something useful, they could penetrate states where leftist orthodoxy is so entrenched that Republicans have a hard time getting elected. Witness Massachusetts - Carla Howell running against Ted Kennedy was one of their finest hours.

That kind of "missionary work" might not go amiss in places like Maine or Vermont either - where people just don't vote Republican.

However trying to take votes away from the Republican, which throws the race to an out and out socialist, who presumably stands in opposition to everything the Libertarians stand for, is beyond stupid.

And before we hear the same old Libertarian whinge about there being no difference between the two parties, answer the following questions:

  1. Which candidate is more likely to support less taxes - the Republican or the Democrat?
  2. Which candidate is more likely to continue to support the Second Amendment - the Republican or the Democrat?
  3. Which candidate is more likely to believe in limited government - the Republican or the Democrat?
  4. Which candidate is more likely to support the rule of law, the Republican or the Democrat?

More often than not, it's the Republican. Voting Libertarian in a tight race means that you are allowing the opposition to your own principles gain power and increase the stranglehold of the state.

America is a 2 party system. There may be pockets, such as the places for "missionary work" I've described, where it can be otherwise - but as a consequence of a "Winner take all" electoral system (known in political science as "first past the post"), there are generally only 2 parties of consequence. The most effective way to advance a Libertarian is to recognise the constraints of this system (and the wisdom of it, witness what proportional representation does in Germany) and work with it, rather than whinge endlessly.

Regards, Ivan

148 posted on 11/01/2002 2:46:25 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: anniegetyourgun
I think we need to compile a list of just what life would look like and what would be protected activity under the great LP society. Here's a start:

1. Twisting the heads off little kittens -- protected
2. Marry your own daughter -- protected
3. Masturbating in public -- protected
4. Child pornography -- protected
5. Meth for sale at your 7-11 -- protected
6. Explosives factory build next to your home -- protected
7. Public defecation -- protected
8. Playing baseball with live gerbils -- protected
9. Fisting your lover on a park bench -- protected
10. Walking naked on the streets -- protected

OK, your turn. Copy the list to your own post and add your favorites to it.

--Boot Hill

149 posted on 11/01/2002 2:47:01 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: Tall_Texan
"30 years ago, you would have had a lot of people agree with you. Now, alcoholism is considered a "disease" - a condition that needs medical treatment, not a moral judgement. Gun ownership would not be a similar example."

Have a care, now: The AMA and CDC have classified firearms violence a disease...
150 posted on 11/01/2002 2:48:35 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: Dead Corpse; Lurking2Long
Such tremendous wit.

Ahhh let’s see your "wit":

POST #123 You jackasses

POST #123 sheer effing denial.s

POST #11 Idiot.

We'll let the others decide.

151 posted on 11/01/2002 2:49:38 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Boot Hill
I like how most of your "points" involve either sex or violence toward animals. Shows what kind of stuff you think about on a regular basis, I'd speculate.

What's stopping people from doing all those things now? Last I had checked, twisting the heads off of kittens wasn't illegal.
152 posted on 11/01/2002 2:51:45 PM PST by spodbox
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To: headsonpikes
That is an outrageous slander. You know of course, this means war!

Regards,

Boot

153 posted on 11/01/2002 2:52:50 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: spodbox
Last I had checked, twisting the heads off of kittens wasn't illegal.

Since when? There are many laws prohibiting cruelty to animals.

154 posted on 11/01/2002 2:55:36 PM PST by strela
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To: demosthenes the elder
I'll need a Libertarian to claify that because the web site makes no distinction. Two issues are involved: What is the definition (age) of a child, and what is considered to be porn vs. abuse?

One other thing; while the "making" of child porn is abuse, one can state that distributing, selling, and viewing harm no one.

Also, let me clarify that these are not my positions.

155 posted on 11/01/2002 2:56:17 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Naspino
You might have a point if "falling back and regrouping" were what the Republicans were doing. But they have been "falling back and regrouping" for 40 years at least. When do we start trying to move forward?
156 posted on 11/01/2002 3:00:31 PM PST by TBP
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To: Teacher317
"No wasted votes!"....BTTT!

I guess that's why Saddam has a Republican Guard. ;^)

157 posted on 11/01/2002 3:02:41 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: dead
dead says:   "Of course, there's been quite a few bizarro bonehead Republicans over the years as well."

Were I Republican we would have to face each other at 20 paces. But I'm an independent and side with the founding fathers and their dire warnings to never allow our country to degenerate into a political party system. A pox on all their houses.

Regards,

Boot Hill

158 posted on 11/01/2002 3:03:06 PM PST by Boot Hill
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To: winner45
A vote for Libertarian is a vote for a Democrat, that being said i will be voting for Libertarian Cloud in MA since he is the ONLY opposition candidate to Senator KErry.
159 posted on 11/01/2002 3:04:15 PM PST by DM1
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To: Boot Hill
Pox bump.
160 posted on 11/01/2002 3:04:49 PM PST by headsonpikes
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