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Friends of Meth?
Sacramento Bee ^ | 21 September 2002

Posted on 09/21/2002 9:29:32 PM PDT by JediGirl

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:44:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Some wit once defined a fanatic as a person who redoubles his effort just as he loses sight of his objective. That wit must have been thinking of U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft and Drug Enforcement Administrator Asa Hutchinson.

Their objective is supposed to be chasing drug traffickers who sell dangerous drugs such as methamphetamines and heroin to children. Instead, they are raiding plots that supply medical marijuana to grandmothers with cancer under the terms of California's Proposition 215.


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To: Hitlerys uterus
I figured out the answer to this and our illegal immigration problem years ago.

You really do need to get back on your medication.

21 posted on 09/22/2002 9:49:56 AM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: Paulus Invictus
You are so right about that meth and cocaine. It can and does do enormous damage to human beings. It is very cold-hearted people who advocate that these things be legal.
22 posted on 09/22/2002 11:12:15 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: mvpel
Maybe we could just hire a few. Or did you mean that in the same sense as "Up The Irish"?

No maybe I should read my post before i push the button. But that would take the fun out of it wouldn't it? Besides I have an excuse I am all screwed up on fresh air.

Home

23 posted on 09/22/2002 2:02:38 PM PDT by Democrap
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To: eno_
If pot displaces other drugs, even booze, the net effect is likely to be LESS harm.

Drunk drives kill more people then people with guns but you can’t displace one with the other can you? Now if we displaced dopers with responsible beings you may have a solution :)

24 posted on 09/22/2002 2:14:49 PM PDT by Democrap
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To: Democrap
You're right, it should be regulated like cigarettes and alcohol.
25 posted on 09/22/2002 2:32:11 PM PDT by Hard_Pill_To_Swallow
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To: posterkid
This is the eternal war. Meth/ritalin (and oddly enough, alcohol and tobacco) are all drugs that activate the 2nd (emotional-territorial) circuit in our brain, where pot activates the 5th (neurosomatic) circuit.

So it effects your brain does it? Gee how wonderful!

26 posted on 09/22/2002 2:33:13 PM PDT by Democrap
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To: Democrap
Dopers, as you put it, don't get into car crashes any more than completely sober people. Some studies even indicate a lower accident rate. Not totally suprising since some athletes perform at elite levels while stoned.

It also makes no sense to say pot does not displace booze. All intoxicants are positively known to displace others in the market and among users. For example, the "success" of cracking down on pot along the Mexican border recently has increased smuggling of higher-value drugs like cocaine. Brewers fear pot because it is a mild recreational intoxicant, grows like a weed (nobody actually needs to buy pot - it is as easy to grow as tomatos), and probably would displace beer. Prohibition vastly increased drinking of gin, rum and other hard liquor. Your example of guns not being able to replace cars is laughably inapplicable and irrelevent to actual documented events where one drug was displaced by another.

Do you have a workable plan for ridding the world of people who want to get a buzz on? And where in the Constitution does it say the government is allowed to tell adults what they are allowed to consume?

The failure of the Drug War is just another example of how the Founding Fathers were 100 times smarter than today's jackasses like Asa Hutchinson. Don't TRY to tell adults what to consume, they will naturally choose the least harmful path.

27 posted on 09/22/2002 4:42:57 PM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
Dopers, as you put it, don't get into car crashes any more than completely sober people. Some studies even indicate a lower accident rate.

Sorry eno_ but your talking to a guy who spent the 60’s cleaning up after the carnage your “victim” dopers caused. I have been to the seen of hundreds of traffic accidents involving sober vs stoned drivers and 75% of the time the fault of the accident was the erratic criminal driving of the poor miss understood doper.

Not totally suprising since some athletes perform at elite levels while stoned.

You see a lot of pot head quarterbacks do you.. funny.

It also makes no sense to say pot does not displace booze. All intoxicants are positively known to displace others in the market and among users. For example, the "success" of cracking down on pot along the Mexican border recently has increased smuggling of higher-value drugs like cocaine.

So Pot smoking can lead to use of harder drugs.. interesting.

actual documented events where one drug was displaced by another.

Good reason to go after all of them isn’t it? By the way I love doper studies they get real creative.

Do you have a workable plan for ridding the world of people who want to get a buzz on?

Yes but it’s to late for you my grown up friend.

And where in the Constitution does it say the government is allowed to tell adults what they are allowed to consume?

”To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes” Affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court again and again and again.

Don't TRY to tell adults what to consume, they will naturally choose the least harmful path.

Lot of dead adult dopers out there that proves you wrong.

Dopers stay out

28 posted on 09/22/2002 8:07:08 PM PDT by Democrap
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To: Democrap
”To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes” Affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court again and again and again.

Not until that paragon of constitutionalism, FDR, stacked the court. Since the drug war does or did write your paycheck, you are an "FDR Republican." But then shame ain't your long suit, eh?

29 posted on 09/22/2002 9:02:25 PM PDT by eno_
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To: FreeLibertarian
I take it then that you feel we shouldn't protect our children or our borders?
30 posted on 09/23/2002 7:00:29 AM PDT by Hitlerys uterus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
What you suggest isn't protection, its just stupid.
31 posted on 09/23/2002 7:53:34 AM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: eno_
Not until that paragon of constitutionalism, FDR, stacked the court. Since the drug war does or did write your paycheck, you are an "FDR Republican." But then shame ain't your long suit, eh?

The “drug wars” has never written my paycheck but good try. Now maybe you can answer a question for me. I have always been told by pot heads that weed is not addictive. If that is the case why is it that a doper would have to replace his non dependency on dope rope with nose candy???? Humm

Could it be that marijuana is habit forming?

THE DRUG WARS

32 posted on 09/23/2002 9:20:24 AM PDT by Democrap
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To: Democrap
Prohibit alcohol and even non-alcohoics will find a substitute. Ban all things conventionally thought of as drugs and addicts will huff gasoline and solvents. In the example I cited, it is the smugglers finding a substitute, thereby making the "success' against pot hollow, even counterproductive. But you don't get any of that, do you?
33 posted on 09/23/2002 9:58:15 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Democrap
Could it be that socialism is habit-forming?

All the way with FDR!! American Socialism Rocks!!

You 'freedom-fighting' Democraps are sure on an effin' roll, I'll give you that!
34 posted on 09/23/2002 9:58:26 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: JediGirl
Friends of Meth = Libertarians
35 posted on 09/23/2002 10:04:14 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: eno_
Ban all things conventionally thought of as drugs and addicts will huff gasoline and solvents.

Thanks for making my point and being honest about your addiction.

36 posted on 09/23/2002 10:06:36 AM PDT by Democrap
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To: headsonpikes
Could be self discipline and freedom from drug dependency is habit forming. Try it! Oh I forgot libertarians don’t us dope they only fight for the fight to.. LOL


37 posted on 09/23/2002 10:14:06 AM PDT by Democrap
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To: Democrap
"LOL"

You're incoherent...not surprising for a Rooseveltian Republican. ;^)
38 posted on 09/23/2002 10:28:22 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: SSN558
I have heard it said that marijuana is a major cash crop in Kentucky from some LE's that live there.

Would that be down on 'Copperhead Road'?


39 posted on 09/23/2002 10:37:01 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: JediGirl
freeper madness---trolls/trollops!
40 posted on 09/23/2002 10:41:08 AM PDT by f.Christian
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