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Drug Policy Continues To Deny Students Aid
e.Peak ^ | 16 September 2002 | Melissa Kronfeld

Posted on 09/21/2002 1:10:32 PM PDT by JediGirl

WASHINGTON - More than 30,000 American college students will be denied federal funding for the 2002-2003 school year due to the Drug-Free Student Aid provision of the Higher Education Act, according to an annual report released by the U.S. Department of Education. The HEA provision, which was passed by Congress in 1998, denies federal financial aid to students with prior drug convictions.

A total of 86,898 students have been denied financial aid since the enforcement of the HEA drug provision in 2000 and the DOE estimates that tens of thousands of students will chose not to apply for federal financial aid due to the provision.

A drug conviction is the only crime that results in the loss of federal financial assistance. Students convicted of any other crime, including murder or rape, may still receive full funding.

In a recent statement, Representative Mark Souder, the bill's author, said that the measure was originally enacted to cut federal funding to those students who received drug convictions while already receiving aid. Souder also hoped that the bill would act as a means to discourage drug use among high school teens.

Over 10 million students apply for federal aid annually and according to estimates made by the DOE, 27 per cent of Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 admitted to using an illegal substance in 2001. Despite an increase of more than $12 billion in federal funding to wage the war against drugs since 1982, almost half of all high school students in the United States admit to experimenting with an illegal substance.

Graham Boyd, director of the American Civil Liberties Union Drug Policy Litigation Project, believes that the HEA provision is unfair to minorities.

"This law is discriminatory," Boyd said. "If a student is convicted of a drug offence, and [the student's] family can afford to pay for college, [the student] will be unaffected by the legislation, while those who are already in danger of being pushed to society's margins will not be able to get federal aid."


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1 posted on 09/21/2002 1:10:32 PM PDT by JediGirl
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2 posted on 09/21/2002 1:10:51 PM PDT by JediGirl
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I guess I must be too old fashioned or something but aren't we supposed to be encouraging correct behavior with appropriate rewards and bad behavior with jail time? In many occupations a felony conviction of ANY kind will bar you from being hired. AS IT SHOULD BE!
4 posted on 09/21/2002 1:22:21 PM PDT by CARTOUCHE
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To: JediGirl
"A drug conviction is the only crime that results in the loss of federal financial assistance. Students convicted of any other crime, including murder or rape, may still receive full funding."

I agree....we should also ban assistance for those convicted of such crimes....Their record will prevent them from getting a good job anyway. Why reward crime of any type?

Let their parents pay their way thru school...

5 posted on 09/21/2002 1:34:38 PM PDT by Tarzantheape
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To: JediGirl
My youngest recently pointed out to me that he had two skills with very high commercial value. The first was that he was fully literate in English. The second was that he could pass a drug test.

He attended public school and learned to behave himself. Last time I looked the public schools were still free of cost. Even the poor, and the most isolated of minority personnel can attend without paying a penney.

People who don't wish to participate in this society do not need a special subsidy out of my tax dollars.

6 posted on 09/21/2002 1:37:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
My youngest recently pointed out to me that he had two skills with very high commercial value. The first was that he was fully literate in English. The second was that he could pass a drug test.

Oh, man, that's classic! I'm going to wear that out...

7 posted on 09/21/2002 1:43:33 PM PDT by Skwidd
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To: JediGirl
Let's see, if this is Saturday (or Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday/Friday), JediGirl must be posting another pro-drug rant.

*YAWN*

8 posted on 09/21/2002 1:49:51 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: JediGirl
Students convicted of any other crime, including murder or rape, may still receive full funding.

I would agree that they shouldn't either. Educational funding is a priviledge, not a Divine right. If you want to be funded then play by the rules. If the rules (not unreasonably) insist you not be convicted of certain offenses...what's the prob?

9 posted on 09/21/2002 1:50:23 PM PDT by avenir
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To: JediGirl
My problem with student aid is this: I saw recently where 60% of college-age Americans are in some kind of post-secondary school education. What I suspect this means is that there are colleges which will accept Freshmen with IQs of 90 and a government school education.

Does anyone else see a potential problem here? Is student aid a drug that entices colleges to 'fry their brains' for the sake of enrolling subsidies?

10 posted on 09/21/2002 2:00:45 PM PDT by Grut
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To: JediGirl
HA!I think that's funny.What does a"dopehead"need with an education?The colleges and universities turn out more criminals than our prisons do!
11 posted on 09/21/2002 2:04:06 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Illbay; JediGirl
Hadn't realized there was a pattern here, but it looks like she's unemployed if she can post that kind of stuff 24/7.

She should pay attention to those words of wisdom from my youngest.

12 posted on 09/21/2002 2:04:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Illbay
She does have a point, however. If you do believe that it is a good policy to deny federal aid to any student with a drug conviction, then presumably you should support denying any federal aid to any student with any criminal conviction, right? Especially for crimes of violence.

I don't see this as a pro-drug posting, per se. It is an issue of the allocation of tax dollars for higher education.

13 posted on 09/21/2002 2:11:52 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: muawiyah
Um. I'm a student.
14 posted on 09/21/2002 2:14:24 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: avenir
If the rules (not unreasonably) insist you not be convicted of certain offenses

I will agree it would be better if there were no student aid at all and taxes were reduced appropriately. BUT they are still taxing for this "service" including the drug user and his parents. How do you deny him the same right to collect aid because of a violation of a silly law that has nothing to do with education?

If you want him out of the game, then untax him and his parents appropriately. He will probably be better of.

15 posted on 09/21/2002 3:17:47 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom
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To: Mike4Freedom
The recent failure of the FBI to solve the anthrax attack proves that having student aid actually harms America.

Decades ago it was very common to find FBI agents who'd worked at the post office to pay their way through college and lawschool.

Now, we have FBI agents running investigations of a postal operation who actually believe that most mail is simply dropped in curbside residential delivery boxes.

They proved to be ineducable and would not believe there was anything more to the post office than what they'd seen.

If there had been no federal student aid programs those guys would have had to have worked at the post office and the case would have been solved in a couple of weeks!

16 posted on 09/21/2002 5:11:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JediGirl
That is absolutely no excuse for being unemployed and you know it.
17 posted on 09/21/2002 5:12:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mike4Freedom
How do you deny him the same right to collect aid because of a violation of a silly law that has nothing to do with education?

Get inside the mind of the Law for a minute. The Law wants to link drug offenses with educational benefits to further stigmatize illicit drug use.

The Law doesn't share your view that it's edicts are "silly"—it wants to maximixe their effect because it assumes it is right. Stripping an offender of financial benefits is another form of threatened punishment that the Law hopes will persuade potential offenders to comply.

It doesn't always work, and offenders rarely agree with the cost of their choice.

18 posted on 09/21/2002 8:28:53 PM PDT by avenir
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To: JediGirl
Where are all the pro-drug legalization posters? I would expect them here to be saying, "Why is the Federal government even involved in student loans to begin with?"

Where's the outrage? What about 10th amendment issues? What about States rights? Find for me, I command you, where in the Constitution it states that the Federal government has this right!

Oh well, I guess this is only important when it comes to the WOD. Other than that, we won't hear from them.

19 posted on 09/22/2002 7:29:31 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Graham Boyd, director of the American Civil Liberties Union Drug Policy Litigation Project, believes that the HEA provision is unfair to minorities.
"This law is discriminatory," Boyd said. "If a student is convicted of a drug offence, and [the student's] family can afford to pay for college, [the student] will be unaffected by the legislation, while those who are already in danger of being pushed to society's margins will not be able to get federal aid."


I hadn't seen this brought up anywhere else in this string, but I have to ask, the question of drugs pushed aside for the moment. Why is this law disciminatory (assuming the word is used in relation to race based discrimination and not on discernment)? Is that not tacit admission that certain groups in this country are more prone to behaving badly than others? And what the hell does economic advantage have to do with it? One would assume in fact, that a kid from a wealthy family could afford more drugs. Just a thought.
20 posted on 09/24/2002 6:22:23 AM PDT by AirmanAlaska
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