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Our Republic and Our Free Republic
9-6-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE

History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.

From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.

On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him

"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.

At least that is how I have always felt about it"

I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".

Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.

It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.

Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?


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When Freedom Fails, Youe Best Men Rot in Jails

And Those Who Cried Appease, Appease

Are Hanged By Those They Tried To Please.



Voting for a socisalist Republican is appeasemenmt.
2,721 posted on 09/21/2002 1:37:22 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
Youe = Your
2,722 posted on 09/21/2002 1:38:57 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
When men who should know better allow a known corrupt, socialist, sovereignty robbing Democrat Party to control the Senate and allow it to further destroy the Constitution, they are sounding the death knell for the Republic. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

2,723 posted on 09/21/2002 1:55:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
"Evil triumphs when good men do nothing"

We have no disagreement on that.

We only disgree on whether a socialist Republican is worthy of voting for.

I say no. You say yes.

Our disgreement on this does not mean that either of us are not concerned, good Americans, who love our country, and want to see it prosper while preserving liberty for our posterity.

Where we agree we need to work together for the benefit of all.

Where we disagree we need to respect the other's position.

If and when the day comes that everyone on this forum agrees on evey issue it will then be useless.

Intelligent, civil dialogue, must be allowed without one being branded a traitor, leftist, etc.
2,724 posted on 09/21/2002 2:50:56 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
And what is this evil that triumphs when good men do nothing? What are we really talking about here and is it worth fighting for? Is it worth turning our heads and allowing evil to continue on while we do nothing? (and I count voting for a third party candidate when knowing that he has absolutely no chance of defeating the Democrat, and worse, actually planning and hoping to knock out the Republican candidate who otherwise might have defeated the Democrat, as doing nothing).

Corruption is accepting campaign cash from the Chinese in exchange for military hardware. Corruption is accepting campaign cash as bribes from Indonesian power brokers, from Buddhist Monks, from corrupt corporate moguls. Corruption is defined by the myriad criminal acts and practices of the Clintons and the Gores and their corrupt Democrat minions.

Corruption is the land grabs, the power grabs, the gun grabs, the bribery, the shady deals, the high crimes and treason. Corruption is the theft of campaign dollars through forced labor union deductions. Corruption is the systematic indoctrination of several generations of our youth with socialist dogma via government school systems. Corruption is the removal of God from public life and substituting in the evil homosexual/feminist agenda and the destruction of moral society. Corruption is lying to the public about global warming and the selling of the Kyoto treaty. Corruption is giving up our national sovereignty to the United Nations. Corruption is the abuses of office, obstruction of justice, lying, perjury and subornation of perjury.

The Democrat Party is thoroughly corrupt. There is no question about that, but it's way beyond corrupt. It's also evil.

Waco was evil. The killing of innocent men, women, children and babies is evil. Torturing them for weeks on end, gassing them, and then burning them alive is pure evil. This was perpetrated by a corrupt and evil Democrat Administration and covered-up by corrupt and evil Democrat Congressmen and Senators, many of whom you are saying should be allowed to remain in office even today.

And as bad as that is, it pales in comparison to the Democrat government sanctioned and funded wholesale slaughter of the most innocent life of all, the murder of innocent human life in the womb. This is evil. Pure evil. And this evilness is openly perpetrated by a thoroughly corrupt and evil Democrat Party. The same corrupt and evil Democrat Congress and Judiciary whom you are now saying deserve to remain in office.

IMHO, allowing these Democrats to remain in power is aiding and abetting the corruption and treason, and is acting as an accessory before and after the fact to the murderers of innocent human life. Is doing nothing and allowing this evil to triumph evil itself?

I love my country. I love the Constitution. I love life. I love God. I know that the Democrats hate my country, hate the Constitution, hate God and hate human life. I see that the only Party capable of blocking and defeating the evil Democrats is the Republican Party. I see that many races are so close that as little as a one percent siphon of conservative votes to a third party could be the difference between success and failure. I see allowing a Democrat to remain in power when it could have been prevented as a triumph of evil.

2,725 posted on 09/21/2002 3:24:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson; RJayneJ
Great post!
2,726 posted on 09/21/2002 6:17:30 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
Second that.
2,727 posted on 09/21/2002 7:35:06 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Jim Robinson; #3Fan; A CA Guy; Amelia; anniegetyourgun; AppyPappy; ArneFufkin; Arthur McGowan; ...
A BTTT for justice. If we want to rid corruption in government then we also need to stand up to the moral-liberalism which corrupts the people, too. The DNC and these fringe third parties proselytise moral-liberalism, and hence foster the corruption of people and government.
2,728 posted on 09/21/2002 7:46:52 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Jim Robinson
A HUGE, STANDING Ovation!!!

Jim, you need to post this essay on a thread of its' own.
2,729 posted on 09/21/2002 7:50:50 AM PDT by justshe
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To: Cultural Jihad
Thanks for the ping! GREAT post by JR.
2,730 posted on 09/21/2002 8:00:27 AM PDT by justshe
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To: justshe
I think so too.
2,731 posted on 09/21/2002 8:04:40 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia; Jim Robinson
Tell Jim....LOL.

This is one of the best essays defining the nature of 'evil' I have read. It shouldn't be buried in the SBR, imo.
2,732 posted on 09/21/2002 8:22:47 AM PDT by justshe
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To: Jim Robinson
Huzzah, sir. Huzzah.

TOM HAGEN: Even the shooting of your father was business, not personal, Sonny!

SONNY CORLEONE: Well, then, business will have to suffer, alright? And listen -- do me a favor, Tom -- No more advice on how to patch things up. Just help me win, please, alright?

2,733 posted on 09/21/2002 8:38:30 AM PDT by strela
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To: Cultural Jihad
Excellent post by Jim. These third partiers think that if they kick out Republicans and let the nation go through some socialism, the nation will turn to conservatism with reborn fervor, but it doesn't happen that way. Socialism strikes like a scorpian, it turns human beings into mush from within. It's effect on society is like the effects of drugs on a drug addict. A drug addict knows that his life is getting worse but going cold turkey on the drugs is worse than just staying high and hitting rock-bottom in their mind. So they just get worse and worse. We have to take this country back by gaining 5 yards at a time, not by throwing Hail Mary's every down. Throwing Hail Mary's every down will just lead to interceptions.
2,734 posted on 09/21/2002 8:55:48 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: justshe; Jim Robinson
This is one of the best essays defining the nature of 'evil' I have read. It shouldn't be buried in the SBR, imo.

Okay, telling Jim: This needs its own thread, in the main forum!

2,735 posted on 09/21/2002 8:57:13 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Cultural Jihad
VOTE THE RATS OUT!!
2,736 posted on 09/21/2002 9:06:02 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Cultural Jihad; Jim Robinson
I leave last night and when I return, Jim has a written a great one.

Yes a thread of its own is needed. I agree!


2,737 posted on 09/21/2002 9:13:16 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Jim Robinson; Cultural Jihad
OK .. just back from my hair tune up and just read Jim's post

I love my country. I love the Constitution. I love life. I love God. I know that the Democrats hate my country, hate the Constitution, hate God and hate human life. I see that the only Party capable of blocking and defeating the evil Democrats is the Republican Party. I see that many races are so close that as little as a one percent siphon of conservative votes to a third party could be the difference between success and failure. I see allowing a Democrat to remain in power when it could have been prevented as a triumph of evil.

BRAVO!!!!! .. Great Post Jim .. OUTSTANDING!!!

2,738 posted on 09/21/2002 11:16:04 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: deport
"Civil uprisings or change will never happen again in this country. The government has the power, money and manpower to subdue any uprising before it gets very far... "


Yes! -- Yes, rattle your chains if you agree!
If you don't, who cares? We have the power, and know how to use it. __________________________________

Sigh, - deport, listening to you and the rest of the big government apologist/appeaser types on threads like these, - is really getting depressing. You people have given up on liberty, imo.
JR recently reconfirmed that he firmly supported this overview:

"Free Republic is a place for people to discuss our common goals regarding the restoration of our constitutionally limited republican form of government. If people have other agendas for FR, I really wish they would take them elsewhere."

Thanks, Jim
226 posted on 2/7/02 4:01 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson
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It sometimes appears that very few freepers ~in reality~ have this same agenda as to restoration.
2,739 posted on 09/21/2002 11:16:14 AM PDT by tpaine
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BRAVO!!!!! .. Great Post Jim .. OUTSTANDING!!!

Absolutely!

2,740 posted on 09/21/2002 11:26:05 AM PDT by Roscoe
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