DAY 10 OF VAN DAM MURDER TRIAL...VERDICT WATCH!!!

Union Trib ^ | August 21, 2002 | San Diego Staff

[pinz-n-needlez]

Kim, I'm the one who posted the link to that article.

[MizSterious]

Haha, good one, ican't--then by the same token can we banish her from our thread because we never invited her?

I thought not.

[small_l_libertarian]

The difference is that MizS brought it up in its TRUTHFUL context. You did not.

[Space Wrangler]

I think the pools are still there. I don't keep my boat at the marina at the state park, but at another marina located on the other side of the bay from the park. Your page says your from FL. So did you grow up here and move to FL??

[pinz-n-needlez]

I hear what you're saying.

In February, I wouldn't have believed something like that was possible. In July, I would have resisted thinking VDs would let something so awful happen to their daughter.

Now, I just hope I miss it when the news comes out with what really happened to that poor little girl and what part her parents played in it.

Maybe later tonight Jamieson, wonders and CAPPSMADNESS (Do I have that right?) will respond to your question. Unless they miss it because the thread is cluttered up with tamtrums and immature stupidity (not you).

[Krodg]

I usually avoid reading the tripe from CTV or LKL but this caught my eye and I was wondering if you know anything about this.

KING: Is it encouraging, Jo-Ellan, that they haven't said anything to the judge like, it's hopeless.

DIMITRIUS: Oh, I think so. But I think probably, towards the end of this week, it may become that way, at which point what the judge will do is to issue what they call an Allen charge, which is basically saying to these folks, look, folks. You've been good jurors, you've been conscientious. But we need to have a unanimous verdict.

And it's basically an order that he gives to them. And it's like the last minute.

GERAGOS: In California, there's just a raging controversy, because the Allen charge -- which you can use in federal court, which says, we've wasted enough time and energy on this case, and we don't want to do it again -- has been declared disfavored in California.

But there's some recent cases where there's a 11 to one or 10 to two splits, where judges have removed people here in California. And the courts of appeal have been fighting this out.

There's a recent Supreme Court case as to how far ...

KING: And remove people from the jury?

GERAGOS: ... from the jury. I mean, there's been -- there have been cases recently, within the last six months, that have been decided at the appellate level here, that tells to judges, you have to be very careful if you remove one of those hold-out jurors.

Btw, anyone is free to answer my post.

[pinz-n-needlez]

And I'll celebrate with Bread 'n' Butters if they do!!!! :-)

[Politicalmom]

I can tell that will be a big sacrifice for you!! : )

[MizSterious]

I had seen some folks talking about this on another board, and I think it's a very real danger. But I wonder if it's also good material to use on appeal? I really do not trust Judge Mudd to be "fair and impartial" having watched how he's handled the case thus far.

[clearvision]

Certainly I can't be reading that right. If you don't like the result of a 10 to 2 jury you can just remove the two and say you have a verdict? Why not just say verdict is decided by a 9 to 3 majority or something to start with?

[Green]

What is Mudd's record on dealing with a hung jury?

[ican'tbelieveit]

You know, we could splurge. It is that time of year, get some fresh made bread and butter's. Maybe some deli meat and cheese.

[MizSterious]

Apparently California is a very different land from the rest of the U.S. (No offense intended to California Freepers!)

[pinz-n-needlez]

Sounds like a party menu. And if/when the acquital comes through, I'll sure be ready to party.

If it's not acquital, I'll need the $$$ for ink and paper to print out the transcripts after all. :-(

(Anybody else having they're local cable company running commercials during Beth's interviews? Either our cable hates her, or there are a lot of people watching this case, and the ads are worth big $$$.)

[Green]

Hmm..well...at some point in time doesn't he have to accept the hung jury if they insist they can't come to a verdict?

[spectre]

CTV is so full of bull! I don't think Dusek thought anything was too rough for the jury to handle. He manufactured a fictional scenerio of Danielle being raped in the Motor Home.."bang, bang, bang"! Shame on Dusek for such melodramatics.

BTW, Kim..you KNOW there are no holds barred on the Smokey Backroom, and we all have permission to answer for another...it's a grown-up thing we do.

Did you take your anti-venom shot before posting here, LOL! yuk, yuk..Group Hugs and Kimbaya!

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[Krodg]

Well, one thing's certain, if there is a hung jury in favor of the defense, Mudd won't use the Allen charge.